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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 65 classic tail lights needed (Sandwich Maker)
2. Re: 65 C;assis Tail Lights (JOE FULTON)
3. '61 AMC Wagon for sale?? (Michael Pell)
4. Re: Eagle front hub-Possible interchange? (Jim Blair)
5. Re: Continuing Saga of Doc the Jeep, Part II.5 (Todd Tomason)
6. Re: Eagle front hub-Possible interchange? (Glenn Ford)
7. Re: Fuel sending unit spec (Tom Jennings)
8. Re: Continuing Saga of Doc the Jeep, Part II.5 (Tom Jennings)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 17:21:11 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 65 classic tail lights needed
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200612052221.kB5MLB310138@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
"
" it is a 65 classic 770 2 door. has 287, auto.
" []
" i need to know what transmission that might be in there,
iirc it's an iron warner, m10 i think. related to the ford fmx.
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internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 16:28:10 -0800 (PST)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 65 C;assis Tail Lights
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I would advise your friend to empty the junk out of
the car and the trunk before he assesses was parts he
needs. You never know what you may find. Many if not
most of the junkyard cars I encounter have spare parts
tucked away in them. A 63 Ambassador I parted out had
four Rambler gas caps (Now I know where the all
went.).
If you can't find a couple of lenses locally, check
Ebay. I seem to recall 65 Classic NOS lenses being
listed frequently and for fair prices too.
Regards,
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:08:20 -0500
From: Michael Pell <mjpell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] '61 AMC Wagon for sale??
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I'm debating on whether or not I'll ever get the time to do what I want
with this car. We really like it, but 2 kids, house, self employment, 2
other classic cars, etc make for a busy enough life.
here's pics: http://www.indianachevelles.com/pellwagon.html
Would anyone be interested in purchasing it? So far, all I've done is
have the starter rebuilt, bought 4 tires and had them mounted on the
wheels, a mirror glass, a new batter, change antifreeze, a NOS tailgate
handle, and re-torque the head bolts.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 19:30:38 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Eagle front hub-Possible interchange?
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A: From what I recall, the Eagle's front suspension and hub seemed to be
closer to Caddy and Olds FWD than Jeep. The Eagle knuckle is much taller
than any sold front axle setup except maybe Dana 60 in 1 tons. I used an
axle that came from a Caddy in my lifted Eagle (but as Frank and I figured
out later it probably came from an S10 or something and was stuck into the
Cad in a fit of redneckgineering. )
From: "Glenn Ford" <gcmford@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Eagle front hub-Possible interchange?
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I posted late last night so some may have missed it, but I just
realized I
MAY
have a ball bearing hub from that Pull-a-part Eagle, that could
explain the
difference. I would have probably had to take the seal off to
find out.
However, the main questions remain.
1. Anyone tried to match a Jeep hub to an Eagle?
2.Were there any hubs ever offered that were fully sealed, ball
bearing OR
tapered roller bearing?
Quoting myself:
"I recently replaced a front hub for the obvious reason. It was
a hub from a
Pull-a-part Eagle, so I had no idea it was going to be different
than what I
would eventually change out. I had lined up bearings and seals
to rebuild
the old ones, and was confused that there was no listing for the
INNER seal
on the carrier, NOT the knuckle seal. TSM did not show a seal
there, either.
Once removed and side by side, all important dimensions were
there, and it
DOES fit and run fine. However, the differences of note are:
Original has an
O-ring on the inner side to knuckle, and NO inner carrier seal,
and bearing
flush with carrier. Replacement has NO O-ring, and the inner
face of the
carrier is deep enough for, and has a seal that sits flush to
the carrier.
It even seals properly on the spacer. This renders the knuckle
seal kind of
redundant except to act as a dust seal, or extra seal. Seems
that seal gets
worn and lets in junk and moisture which probably is what killed
my hub.
Question, then is this a Jeep hub, or an aftermarket improvement
or even a
factory replacement? On-line catalogues don't cross over, but
the inner seal
is a Jeep feature, and the taper inside down to the seal appears
identical
to on-line pics. PLUS, the outer seal is the same for Jeep and
Eagle.
Otherwise, nobody seems to list a hub assembly for the Eagle."
Thanks for any and all input.
Glenn Ford in Warburg Alberta.
'85 and '87 Wagoneer Limiteds (XJ), 2-'87 Eaglewagons ( 1-auto,
1-Limited
T-5)
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 23:11:43 -0600
From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Continuing Saga of Doc the Jeep, Part II.5
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My first thought would be the choke. Is the choke closing enough when cold?
Todd
On Monday 04 December 2006 12:06, Nick Lenarz wrote:
> Just to do a brief update, rather than re-posting what I posted over at
> CJOffroad.com and CJ-8.com... the phrase for this week is, "or it will
> die." :D
> Got the front end taken down on Monday night, and checked the timing
> gears- sure enough, set to the advanced keyway. I set it back to 0*,
> and called it a night. Wednesday night I got everything tightened back
> up and put back together, and reset the timing and carb- timing is at
> 12* BTDC, BBD idle mix screws are 2.5 turns out each. Took it for a run
> and there's still a very faint knock at heavy throttle, but for
> everyday driving, it's fine.
> The NEW problem is that it won't idle when cold. Give it a kick in the
> morning and it starts with a healthy roar, idles for a second or two,
> then dies as though I've turned the key off. Kick it again, and it
> fires up and dies just the same, and it will do that as many times as I
> like. LOL!
> To make it idle, I have to feather the throttle, which causes it to
> stumble and cough, but then I have to hold the pedal to keep it going.
> Also, if I let the clutch out, it will stall almost straight away
> unless I give it a LOT of gas and rev it way up. I can't take my foot
> off the gas, or it will die.
> The first few stops I make, I have to feather the throttle and clutch
> VERY carefully, or it will die. It idles okay once it's warmed up, and
> I can modulate the clutch like normal once I'm 5-10 minutes into my
> drive, but otherwise it acts like it doesn't have any power behind it.
> Accelerates just fine, cruises just fine.
> Just off-idle (around 1-1.5k RPM), there's a flat spot where it want to
> die- it shudders and sighs, and there's the sound of sucking air thru
> the intake. I don't know if it's too rich, which means I should back
> off the accelerator pump setting, or if it's too lean, and I need to
> somehow feed it more gas off-idle.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Nick
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 00:34:07 -0700
From: "Glenn Ford" <gcmford@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Eagle front hub-Possible interchange?
To: "mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Thanks for the reply, Jim. I have seen some posts, probably yours, about the
longer Cad axles for lifted Eagles. That may be one hub to check out
sometime. The knuckles are sort of irrelevant, as the hubs all have a
similar 3-bolt pattern. I had hoped the Jeep hub would have the same
external dimensions due to the AMC heritage. They certainly look the same.
Certainly, the Cad connection with similar spline, and now you indicate the
S10, seem possibilities, except for bolt patterns. It seems too odd that AMC
would use more than one kind of hub on 2 of their own 4WD vehicles. It would
likely have upped their unit cost. For now, though, I will rebuild my
original hubs, if I haven't ruined one, and eventually replace the bummer
one on the Jeep, then I will have the two kinds in hand to compare.
It's probably going to be 'redneck engineering' for a lot of AMC parts until
the rust dies down at the crusher.
Well, if there is no other input, I will consider the topic closed for now.
I will post if I find they interchange.
Glenn Ford in Warburg Alberta.
'85 and '87 Wagoneer Limiteds (XJ), 2-'87 Eaglewagons ( 1-auto, 1-Limited
T-5)
>Date: Tuesday, December 5, 2006 10:30 PM
>From: Jim B <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>A: From what I recall, the Eagle's front suspension and hub seemed to be
>closer to Caddy and Olds FWD than Jeep. The Eagle knuckle is much taller
>than any sold front axle setup except maybe Dana 60 in 1 tons. I used an
>axle that came from a Caddy in my lifted Eagle (but as Frank and I figured
>out later it probably came from an S10 or something and was stuck into the
>Cad in a fit of redneckgineering. )
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:50:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Fuel sending unit spec
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Widiker, John D wrote:
> Anyone know offhand the empty/full ohm measurement for a 1970 AMC fuel
> sending unit? It's still in the car and mostly full of fuel, I'm window
> shopping some gauges and am curious.
I just happened to be working on that very thing this past
weekend!
It may vary model to model, but 1970 Hornet should be 73 ohms
when the tank is empty. Plus or minus 5 (I think). About 10? ohms
or less tank full.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 23:54:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Continuing Saga of Doc the Jeep, Part II.5
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Nick Lenarz wrote:
> The NEW problem is that it won't idle when cold.
> Anyone have any suggestions?
Choke.
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