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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Trans for 232 six. (Todd Tomason)
2. seat belt thoughts (Steven Fox)
3. Re: Trans for 232 six. (Sandwich Maker)
4. Re: Cover for AMC-15 (Jim Blair)
5. Re: trans for 232 six (Jim Blair)
6. parts wanted near Seattle (Jim Blair)
7. Hardened valve seats no longer available? (Justin Shelton)
8. t89/r10od (d stohler)
9. Re: Hardened valve seats no longer available? (Sandwich Maker)
10. Re: trans for 232 six (Sandwich Maker)
11. Re: Hardend Valve Seats? (JOE FULTON)
12. Fuel sending unit spec (Widiker, John D)
13. 71 AMX 401/AT for sale $5500 (Eddie Stakes)
14. 71 Javelin shifter wanted (Eddie Stakes)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:31:43 -0600
From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Trans for 232 six.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I have a 998 out of a 73 Javelin that I've offered to sell to Butch. This
transmission was used by AMC with the 304. Does anyone know of any pros or
cons to using this transmission with Butch's 232?
Todd
On Monday 04 December 2006 21:43, John Elle wrote:
>
> The 904 is OEM for all of the AMC I-6 engines used from 1972 on with a
> couple of fleet or heavy duty exceptions.
> Any year 904 will work and bolt up to the engine. The 904 transmission
> is reliable; parts are commonly available and although they can be
> rebuilt with heavy duty parts to improve the reliability it is generally
> not needed. In 1980 AMC started to use the lock up torque converter
> version which is interesting as first and second gear are lower geared
> to improve acceleration when using taller rear axle gears. For example
> 2.53 is standard on a 1980 Spirit. When used with that rear axle ratio
> you can expect better gasoline mileage and as the transmission is set up
> with lower gears in 1st and 2nd acceleration is not compromised. Also
> you can play with the lock up point of the torque converter to get the
> transmission to act as a poor mans 4 speed automatic. But if that does
> not float your boat any, they all work.
> It could be neat though to locate one that has a floor shift package set
> up with it so you do not have to figure out how to get the column shift
> to work and they were available but probably more commonly found in the
> Spirits than any other model.
> They are all liquid cooled with lines running to the radiator. If you
> find a parts car purchase the transmission, torque converter,
> transmission mount, yoke, cooling lines, kick down linkage from the
> carburetor to the transmission and shift linkage to ease your
> conversion. They can be found in any AMC I-6 automatic equipped
> automobile.
>
> John
>
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 06:13:37 -0800
From: "Steven Fox" <bikerfox@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] seat belt thoughts
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Thanks to all who replied about changing the seat belt color.
Here's what I found out through my own research:
1. According to SEM they don't make a product that will dye nylon, which I believe that our late '60s belts are made of.
2. RIT dyes will work and apparently won't affect the durability of the belts. However, as a friend told me, why not experiment on a cheap belt first and see what happens, esp. because at higher water temperatures, the belt may curl somewhat.
Steve
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:24:25 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Trans for 232 six.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200612051424.kB5EOPA05406@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" I have a 998 out of a 73 Javelin that I've offered to sell to Butch. This
" transmission was used by AMC with the 304. Does anyone know of any pros or
" cons to using this transmission with Butch's 232?
pro - ought to be bulletproof behind a stock six
con - still needs a six flexplate, or the 304's rebalanced
can't think of anything else.
" On Monday 04 December 2006 21:43, John Elle wrote:
"
" > Any year 904 will work and bolt up to the engine.
" > []
" > In 1980 AMC started to use the lock up torque converter
" > version which is interesting as first and second gear are lower geared
" > to improve acceleration when using taller rear axle gears. For example
" > 2.53 is standard on a 1980 Spirit. When used with that rear axle ratio
" > you can expect better gasoline mileage and as the transmission is set up
" > with lower gears in 1st and 2nd acceleration is not compromised.
i've been wondering if 2.53s would go into a '60s axle. there was a
change in '70 but as far as i can tell it's the housing and pinion seal
but *not* the pinion itself. [non big nut setups of course] i suspect
they'd fit though i have my doubts about the 2.35s and 2.21s; the rogue
2.37s had a special housing different from all the other gears.
the rogue axle might be an excellent match for a lockup 904 and 232, if
highway cruising is the goal. i think it'd suffer a little in
stop-and-go.
" > If you
" > find a parts car purchase the transmission, torque converter,
" > transmission mount, yoke, cooling lines, kick down linkage from the
" > carburetor to the transmission and shift linkage to ease your
" > conversion. They can be found in any AMC I-6 automatic equipped
" > automobile.
i don't think you'll find a yoke compatible with the tiny u-joints on
the big nut driveshaft. this means a custom driveshaft [not a very big
deal] or conversion to the non-big-nut setup on '65-6 232s and all '67-9
american sixes.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 07:23:26 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Cover for AMC-15
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F2573DCD02A4B1E68B0BBB7ACDE0@xxxxxxx>
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A: I'm just catching this thread right now (kind of busy trying to get rid
of excess cars and sort/move the extra parts from the old storage to the new
plus help my buddy with the '82 Spirit get it back into running condition)
Another possible replacement cover is the front D35 on a Bronco 2. I found
out a year ago that's what they run but haven't had any time to check out
much about it.
From: Todd Tomason <jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Cover for AMC-15
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200612041037.06854.jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I just wanted to thank everyone for their suggestions on this.
I found a
cover from a Dana 35 on a Cherokee at the local Pick-N-Pull.
Perfect fit on
my AMC-15. No leaks.
The one from the Dana 35 is about twice as heavy as my original.
It looks
like they completely redesigned it. The fill plug is not
threaded either.
It has a rubber stopper type plug that just pushes in.
Todd
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 07:35:13 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] trans for 232 six
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A: I would opt for a 998/999 (all are water cooled) due to the heavier rear
band (the case of the 904 was remade to accommodate it) which was the second
weakest point of the 9xx series trans. The other weak spot is the neck of
the torque converter and the rear sprague tearing loose was another. (the
999 case I have from an '00 Wrangler 4.0L has a bolt in rear sprague)
Another option is a 2wd AW4 with all the accessories (flexplate and
starter. Check the size of the pilot hole to be sure) then you can graft on
a 4.0L head later with the EFI. (Just make sure you use the EFI the
flexplate was made for. '87 to '90 with an EGR valve on the engine is Renix.
09/90 and later are HO)
From: "L. D. Lyons" <ldlyons@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] trans for 232 six
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Iam putting a 72 232 in my 64 american and have decided to use
transmission from 72 or later. My repair manual says that the
727, 904 & 998 were Automatics that will work with the 232 six.
Which would be the best for my 64. I realize that I will need to
change the yoke on the drive shaft and other stuff. Are these
trans fluid or air cooled
Butch Lyons
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 07:45:05 -0800
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] parts wanted near Seattle
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A friend of mine is looking for a Model 20 (or a REALLY cheap Model 15) to
fit his '82 AMC Spirit near Seattle. XJ diffs are @2" too wide (same with
Eagle axles as they are the same as XJ) or we'd have that covered. (he wants
to keep the AMX styled wheels) The Spirit is essentially the same size as
AMC Concord and Hornet and the V8 cars generally came with Model 20 (round
rear cover that looks like it's hiding a basketball) I used to have one from
the '77 AMX I parted, but it went to the scrapyard when I moved.
Some early Jeep Comanches came with the Model 20 as well as the Dana 44
(these would be acceptable possible options if complete as I am looking for
one too) but a CJ or FSJ one won't quite cut it (would require cu$tom axles
he can't afford right now)
He's also looking for a 727 AMC or Jeep 2wd trans (possibly a really good
999 but his current one is causing running issues he is already tired of
dealing with) or maybe a 4.0L/AW4 2wd combo. (this would be optimal as his
4.2L is eating spark plugs at the moment. It may have been a fluke due to
the carb running poorly before)
Note: We have an offer of a rebuildable 727 so far.
Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73
J4000 304/TH400/QT tow truck http://www.virtualjeep.com
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:04:27 -0800
From: Justin Shelton <hydeparker@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Hardened valve seats no longer available?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hi, Guys:
I am rebuilding a head for a cast iron 196 OHV engine, and one of the big AMC parts vendors recently emailed me that hardened valve seats are no longer being manufactured. He said: "The last company to make those closed last year and with them the stock was disposed of."
Has anyone else heard this?
If any of you have valve seats you are willing to sell, please give me a holler.
Justin
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 09:13:03 -0800 (PST)
From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] t89/r10od
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it is out of an early 60's v8 torque tube car. has the
tt mount on the back of the od. synchro 2/3. not
first. it came as a heavy duty option for the 6 cyl,
standard on the 8's im told. i thought it would work
in place of my t96 with my 196. it has a different
bellhousing mount, and is about 4" to long for me to
use.
dave stohler
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 12:54:02 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Hardened valve seats no longer available?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200612051754.kB5Hs2G07454@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Justin Shelton <hydeparker@xxxxxxxxx>
"
"
" I am rebuilding a head for a cast iron 196 OHV engine, and one of the
" big AMC parts vendors recently emailed me that hardened valve seats
" are no longer being manufactured. He said: "The last company to make
" those closed last year and with them the stock was disposed of."
"
" Has anyone else heard this?
"
" If any of you have valve seats you are willing to sell, please give
" me a holler.
tried egge machine co? www.egge.com iirc.
when i had my 199 rebuilt i was told the exhaust wouldn't get hot
enough to need hardened seats unless i hammered it, towed, or
hillclimbed. that was 50000 miles ago and no problems yet.
________________________________________________________________________
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internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:00:04 -0500 (EST)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] trans for 232 six
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200612051800.kB5I04i07504@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" A: I would opt for a 998/999 (all are water cooled) due to the heavier rear
" band (the case of the 904 was remade to accommodate it) which was the second
" weakest point of the 9xx series trans. The other weak spot is the neck of
" the torque converter and the rear sprague tearing loose was another. (the
" 999 case I have from an '00 Wrangler 4.0L has a bolt in rear sprague)
nb. for an older-car swap, avoid the 32re, electronic version of the
999/32rh. i don't know what year they switched - '96 [obdII]?
otoh if you were doing a complete drivetrain swap, 4.0 + 32re from a
wrangler, you'd also be taking the ecm which controls the trans.
doesn't the 999 have a stronger pump than the 998? i thought that was
the major difference.
________________________________________________________________________
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internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:26:34 -0800 (PST)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Hardend Valve Seats?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20061205182635.73127.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Justin,
Find a good machine shop, one that works on industrial
engines, tractor engines, as well as cars. I'm sure
they can get hardened seats for your 196 or customize
existing seats to work in your engine.
You should not have to buy the seats yourself. Leave
it up to the machine shop to procure them.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:38:55 -0500
From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fuel sending unit spec
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID:
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Anyone know offhand the empty/full ohm measurement for a 1970 AMC fuel
sending unit? It's still in the car and mostly full of fuel, I'm window
shopping some gauges and am curious.
~J
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:46:08 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 71 AMX 401/AT for sale $5500
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <021801c718a7$da55a740$abf1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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reply-type=original
For SALE 71 Javelin AMX 401 auto trans runs and drives very good body is in
good shape has some rust on right quarter and rocker panels. Car is very
restorable asking 5500.00 obo located in Tomahawk WI Call 715 612 2109 or
715 942 0727
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anyone interested in the AMX give them a call above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 13:47:34 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 71 Javelin shifter wanted
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: dbker31@xxxxxxxxx
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i have a 1971 javelin sst and i need a shifter for it??? if you have one let
me know please! dbker31@xxxxxxxxx THANKS!!
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anyone with a shifter for sale give them a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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