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Today's Topics:
1. 180 degree headers (Armand Eshleman)
2. Re: 2007 AMC meets (Jeff Reeves)
3. Re: T-14 Overdrive (Frank Swygert)
4. Re: complete set for rebuilding a 196 head? (Frank Swygert)
5. Hornet AMX Parts FS (JOE FULTON)
6. Re: new member; new to AMC, have a '61 Rambler Wagon (Ken Ames)
7. Re: new member; new to AMC, have a '61 Rambler Wagon
(Michael Pell)
8. My "new" J-10 truck! (farna@xxxxxxx)
9. Re: My "new" J-10 truck! (Mark Price)
10. non amc related (Eddie Stakes)
11. Re: 2007 AMC meets (Frank Swygert)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 07:09:47 -0600
From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 180 degree headers
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Good Day everyone,
Has anyone ever seen a set of 180 degree exhaust headers for AMC V-8's?
Just curious if they were ever made.
Thanks,
Armand
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:35:09 -0400
From: Jeff Reeves <amcnut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 2007 AMC meets
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Peach State AMO is going to host a 2007 Southeast Regional in Atlanta
once again!
First weekend of October, at the same Hilton hotel that hosted the 2005
AMO National show in Norcross, GA.
Jeff Reeves
Auburn GA
94 Cherokee Sport
79 Spirit
72 Javelin SST
69 Ambassador DPL
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 02:30:27 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] T-14 Overdrive
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That would be correct for the five speed -- 4.0L with the BA 10/5 used
a 3.08 and tall tires. I had a Comanche like that -- fifth was no good
except on the highway at higher speeds, and even then it felt weak. It
really needed just a little more gear --3.23 or 3.31 would have felt
really good! I remember lots of 4-5-4 shifting in hilly terrain, and
not mountains like you have!
On October 27, 2006 Jim B wrote:
> A: I don't know what size your tires are, but my setup is for a
truck,
> hauling considerably more weight (rarely empty nowadays) I have a BA
10/5 so
> 5th gear is .70 and I figured it out once that I was perfectly
matched to
> the original ratio of 3.08 with stock 205/75R15 tires. (I didn't even
have
> to change the speedo gear in my trans. It's within 1/10th of a mile
in a 10
> mile test zone)
>
>
> From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] T-14 Overdrive
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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> I ran the nubers on your combo and mine and assuming 1-1 gearing
> in 4th for comparison sake and a 28" tire on my car, My gearing
> is steeper!
> Yes it runs well and does well on mpg.
> As I said I'm somewhat concerned about the .64 overdrive in the
> 2.95 1st gear motorsport spec trans I'm building. It specs out
> to about 1790 RPM at 70 mpg with a 3.31 and just over 1800 rpm
> with the propesed 3.42. Ideal is a about a 3.55 but this is not
> a "stock gear" for the S10, they go straight to 3.73.
> I'll reserve my judgement till I get the trans in and holdoff
> till I drive it with the 3.31's then decide.
> --
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 02:37:21 -0400
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] complete set for rebuilding a 196 head?
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Kanter is probably the most cost effective. Egge Machine, and Rambler
vendors like Blaser's and Galvin's will probably be a little more, but
I'd try the AMC vendors first. If not much more I'd use them anyway.
All the 196 OHV or L-head valves should be the same -- RESPECTIVELY.
Can't mix OHV and L-head. If the length, diameter, and keepers match,
they fit. You can actually fudge on the length a little due to the
adjustable rockers, but I'd say no more than about +/- 0.05". That's a
lot, actually, but hard to see that much. Nothing wron g with using
another make valve that fits, but I doubt there is anyting with a valve
head that fits that is the right length and diameter. You'd need guide
work at the least.
On October 27, 2006 Justin Shelton wrote:
> Hi, Guys:
>
> I dropped off a head to be rebuilt at the local Napa machine shop.
They have done excellent work for me before on a set of IH 304 heads
and a set of Stude 289 heads.
>
> Anyway, I got a call back that they cannot find valves or other
components. If find this a bit odd . . . I have had Rambler 196 heads
rebuilt before and have never heard of a problem finding parts, but of
course haven't used this place.
>
> I looked at Kanter, and they want $15/valve, which in valves alone
will run me $180, and that doesn't include guides or seals.
>
> My question is: other than Kanter, is there a "one stop" place to buy
a complete set for rebuilding a head? Or do I have to buy individual
component pieces?
>
> My other question is: I have a collection of NOS engine parts, so I
dug through boxes of valves. I have various valves for 196 heads, but
none that are specifically for a 1960 head. How much did the heads
evolve over the life of the 196 OHV engine?
>
> - Justin
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 10:00:31 -0800 (PST)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Hornet AMX Parts FS
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I'm just about finished parting out a 77 Hornet AMX.
Still have:
driver's side rear quarter complete, removed at spot
welds (not easy, but a good learning project).
Fuel tank and straps and fuel sender
Fuel filler assembly and door
Rear interior plastic and headliner (black)
Rear seat (great condition)
Gas lift struts for hatch
Hatch with glass
Targa band (must be picked up)
Rear bumper
All four gas bumper shock absorbers
Front doors, complete except for door panels
All glass (tinted)
Hood with so-so Hornet medallion
Rear bumper filler pieces.
I can cut the floors, but also have other Hornet sedan
floorpans for sale too.
Will not ship the headliner, targa band, or rear
hatch.
Everything else can be packaged and shipped.
Also have 76 Hornet fenders (perfect)
76 Hornet Grille and front bumper filler.
76 Hornet hood.
Reasonable prices.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 17:00:22 -0700
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] new member; new to AMC, have a '61 Rambler
Wagon
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I see by the paint # it was originaly frost white. :)
According to the 61 American manual the 6x15 tires turned 804 revs per mile.
Your new tires should be similar. 175/80 or 185/75 or 195/70 are close.
Ken
Quoting Michael Pell <mjpell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Hello all,
> I've recently acquired my first AMC car; a '61 Rambler Wagon Deluxe.
> Here's some pics: http://www.indianachevelles.com/pellwagon.html
>
> It has the aluminum overhead valve 6 cyl and OD 3sp manual trans. I
> even have the original bill of sale with the car.
>
> My plan is to spend some time on it over the winter months to get it
> roadworthy. First thing I need is some tires.
> Can anyone tell me what tire size I need to purchase (ie 185/70/R15
> ??). The tires are supposed to be 15"x6", and I want to get as close to
> the original height as possible.
>
> Thank you,
> Mike
>
> --
> --
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> isn't, Than live my
> life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal
>
> Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com
> TREMEC Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:27:34 -0500
From: Michael Pell <mjpell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] new member; new to AMC, have a '61 Rambler
Wagon
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Yes it was white from the factory. The previous painter didn't go to
great pains to cover all the white.
Thanks for the tire size. That's what I've been after. The tire
conversion chart allowed me to get pretty close, and I figured on
finding 175/80, so this confirms it.
Thanks!
Mike
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life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal
Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com
TREMEC Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com
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Hoosier State Chevelle Assoc (http://www.IndianaChevelles.com) #6
Ken Ames wrote:
>I see by the paint # it was originaly frost white. :)
>
>According to the 61 American manual the 6x15 tires turned 804 revs per mile.
>Your new tires should be similar. 175/80 or 185/75 or 195/70 are close.
>
>Ken
>
>
>Quoting Michael Pell <mjpell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
>
>
>>Hello all,
>>I've recently acquired my first AMC car; a '61 Rambler Wagon Deluxe.
>>Here's some pics: http://www.indianachevelles.com/pellwagon.html
>>
>>It has the aluminum overhead valve 6 cyl and OD 3sp manual trans. I
>>even have the original bill of sale with the car.
>>
>>My plan is to spend some time on it over the winter months to get it
>>roadworthy. First thing I need is some tires.
>>Can anyone tell me what tire size I need to purchase (ie 185/70/R15
>>??). The tires are supposed to be 15"x6", and I want to get as close to
>>the original height as possible.
>>
>>Thank you,
>>Mike
>>
>>--
>>--
>> I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there
>>isn't, Than live my
>> life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal
>>
>> Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com
>> TREMEC Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com
>> Team Chevelle member #1778 (Gold), ACES member #1377
>> Hoosier State Chevelle Assoc (http://www.IndianaChevelles.com) #6
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 01:07:38 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] My "new" J-10 truck!
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC-List)
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Well, I got it home from NYC with no problems at all! The exhaust is kind of lud due to some leaks, but it drove fine. Vacuum seems to be a little low, so I may have a vacuum leak in the manifold. It has power brakes, but sure doesn't feel like it! The previous owner (PO) stated that he put metallic pads on and that it stopped much better with standard pads. That's a cheap swap, might have to find out! He also told me that only one of the front calipers was bled recently due to a broke off bleeder screw. A rear tire is out of balance or has a slipped belt, but the PO told me about that. Gets a vibration in it around 55 but not bad now. It started a little unsettling, but as I drove (couldn't go over 55 while near the city anyway) it got a bit better. I ended up driving at 65 or so most of the way home with just a bit of vibration -- not enough to be anooying or uncomfortable. The exhaust system is BADLY rusted -- could be original! It's definitely leaking some, sounds about !
like an
old tractor! Planning on replacing it soon -- will look on-line and see if I can buy a head pipe so I don't have to replace the cat.
He'd been using it to snow plow with, and boy does it show! Lots of flakey surface rust on the front frame, and bolts that were difficult to get off. Nothing you northerners aren't accustomed to, but I'm sure not!! One main bolt holding the plow frame on must be bent -- couldn't drive it out with a 2# shop hammer! It's a 1/2" bolt. I'll get a local shop to blow the head off with a torch. I found some braces welded on the front crossmember that will need to be cut off anyway. Now I know why the PO didn't take the frame off, just the pump, hydraulics, and blade! I let him keep the plow in exchange for an aluminum cap. Probably won't use that much either, but can use it more than a snow plow in S.C.! I'm driving the truck down in a couple weeks then parking it until I move there. Wanted a Jeep, and this one looked pretty good. It has some rust here and there over the body, but seems to be typical J-truck stuff. I'll use it a year or two then start patching here and there as lon!
g as ev
erything seems to be okay. Should -- the trans (nice "snap" in every gear!) and transfer case were rebuilt over the last 3-4 years.
The four speed (T-176) acts more like a three speed with OD with the stock 2.73 gears. No point in using fourth unless you're traveling over 45-50. With a load there will be lots of 3-4-3 shifting. Not a problem though, first seems to be low enough for a light load, and there's low range in the transfer case if not. IIRC it can be shifted from low to high on the fly with no problems. Anyone know for sure (Jim B?)
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 17:40:35 -0800
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] My "new" J-10 truck!
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: farna@xxxxxxx
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Sounds like you got a good deal on a fairly decent truck all things considered!
On the exhaust, if at all possible I'd recomend taking a few days to think over what you would really want to end up with in the long term.
No need to redo things over again later if you can avoid it just causes extra work.
I'd do a new generic high flow cat and 2 1/4" exhaust and be done with it!
That cat is likely 20+ years old, unlikely it is functioning properly or flowing well anymore. Generic cats are cheap if you shop around.
At least you got the 2.79 gears! My cousin got like 22? gears! It wouldn't backup out of his drivweway in high range. When he towed his horses up the hill he had to stop and do the lowrange thing then too. If you plan on using it for a tow rig you will probably be wanting to eventually go a little steeper in the gear ratio.
Have fun with your new truck!
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Well, I got it home from NYC with no problems at all! The exhaust is kind of lud due to some leaks, but it drove fine. Vacuum seems to be a little low, so I may have a vacuum leak in the manifold. It has power brakes, but sure doesn't feel like it! The previous owner (PO) stated that he put metallic pads on and that it stopped much better with standard pads. That's a cheap swap, might have to find out! He also told me that only one of the front calipers was bled recently due to a broke off bleeder screw. A rear tire is out of balance or has a slipped belt, but the PO told me about that. Gets a vibration in it around 55 but not bad now. It started a little unsettling, but as I drove (couldn't go over 55 while near the city anyway) it got a bit better. I ended up driving at 65 or so most of the way home with just a bit of vibration -- not enough to be anooying or uncomfortable. The exhaust system is BADLY rusted -- could be original! It's definitely leaking some, sounds abou!
t !
> like an
> old tractor! Planning on replacing it soon -- will look on-line and see if I can buy a head pipe so I don't have to replace the cat.
>
> He'd been using it to snow plow with, and boy does it show! Lots of flakey surface rust on the front frame, and bolts that were difficult to get off. Nothing you northerners aren't accustomed to, but I'm sure not!! One main bolt holding the plow frame on must be bent -- couldn't drive it out with a 2# shop hammer! It's a 1/2" bolt. I'll get a local shop to blow the head off with a torch. I found some braces welded on the front crossmember that will need to be cut off anyway. Now I know why the PO didn't take the frame off, just the pump, hydraulics, and blade! I let him keep the plow in exchange for an aluminum cap. Probably won't use that much either, but can use it more than a snow plow in S.C.! I'm driving the truck down in a couple weeks then parking it until I move there. Wanted a Jeep, and this one looked pretty good. It has some rust here and there over the body, but seems to be typical J-truck stuff. I'll use it a year or two then start patching here and there as l!
on!
> g as ev
> erything seems to be okay. Should -- the trans (nice "snap" in every gear!) and transfer case were rebuilt over the last 3-4 years.
>
> The four speed (T-176) acts more like a three speed with OD with the stock 2.73 gears. No point in using fourth unless you're traveling over 45-50. With a load there will be lots of 3-4-3 shifting. Not a problem though, first seems to be low enough for a light load, and there's low range in the transfer case if not. IIRC it can be shifted from low to high on the fly with no problems. Anyone know for sure (Jim B?)
>
> --
> Frank Swygert
> Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
> Magazine (AMC)
> For all AMC enthusiasts
> http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
> (free download available!)
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:05:42 -0600
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] non amc related
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Non AMC but worth seeing the fellow eat some street anyhows. Wolfgang on and
the amc-list this originated in your fatherland! The idea is to keep the
drunk upright. Not easy! Check record!
http://www.mis-group.com/funny/drunk/help_the_drunk_get_home-Original.htm
thanks to fellow AMCer Arnie for this. Like I don't see enough drunks here
25+ years working Houston 7 Corpus Christi clubs, duh!
This looks more like the Houston Texans miserable offensive line!
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:13:13 -0500
From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 2007 AMC meets
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Well, I'm moving back to SC just in time then! Should be able to
attend, but not making any promises. Atlanta is only four hours away,
so should be able to get up early in the morning and drive up. Depends
on the house building/remodeling schedule! But I'm planning on
appearing...
On October 27, 2006 Jeff Reeves wrote:
> Peach State AMO is going to host a 2007 Southeast Regional in
Atlanta
> once again!
>
> First weekend of October, at the same Hilton hotel that hosted the
2005
> AMO National show in Norcross, GA.
>
>
> Jeff Reeves
> Auburn GA
> 94 Cherokee Sport
> 79 Spirit
> 72 Javelin SST
> 69 Ambassador DPL
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