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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Pulling an Axle (John Elle)
2. Re: La France - IH Navistar, hmmm (Jim Blair)
3. Re: Pulling an Axle (Sandwich Maker)
4. Re: AMBASSADORS (now trucks) (Jim Blair)
5. Re: OVERDRIVE OPTIONS (Andy&Tonja&Phoebe Ray)
6. Re: Pulling an Axle/ Now Jeep brake micro fishe (John Elle)
7. Re: pulling an axle (Jim Blair)
8. Re: AMBASSADORS (now trucks) (Russell Neyhart)
9. To The Recovering Mark Price (Mr. AMC)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:36:13 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Pulling an Axle
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Jim
SNIP
My buddy Brian (with the '82 Spirit) needs rear brakes, so we will be
robbing the backing plates and drums from the spare D35 (they are 10" He
has
the expen$ive 9") I have, unless it's the correct width to fit? Anyone?
'87
XJ D35 in place of an '82 Spirit M15? (spring pads and brackets don't
matter
SNIP
I dunno what the fit interchange is 'tween the 20 and 15 axle with the
10 and 9 inch brakes but----my ' 80 AMX which is an I-6 car should have
the model 15 rear axle and although I have not tried to verify that it
does or not the literature for the thing says the rear gear is a value
that was only offered on the 15 but it does have finned 10 inch brakes
which were standard on the model 20 axle (and also dogon near 90%
cheaper as far as the drum goes.) When I go to buy parts for it I have
to specify 1980 AMC AMX in order to get the right parts for the car.
I also have a micro fiche and a reader to read it with but the
microfiche is middle '80s or so. I will take the time to night to get it
out and see if something like that is listed in the parts section. If I
find something I will drop it on to the files some time tonight or
tomorrow.
My back is a bit sore now, some Ditz in an Infinity SUV (Gawd I hate
that term) and her white poodle ran into the back of my town and country
at an intersection tonight. Says she didn't see it.
As I was not overly happy about the situation I questioned what she
thought that big purple thing was directly in front of her windshield. I
don't thing she like the question.
John.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:10:02 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] La France - IH Navistar, hmmm
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F34B3D61FA69252C6BE08CAAC010@xxxxxxx>
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A: People make waaaay too much of these weasel... uhh, I mean diesel powered
rigs. They cost more to maintain than a regular car. Nope. Not for me! My
'73 J4000 will do till I can flatdeck it (I'd really like a M715 frame with
12' bed instead. Won't be as happy with a GM 2 ton frame and the drivetrain
from my J4000 with the GM 2 ton upgraded axles)
If that doesn't pan out, my wife's Granpa and Uncle still have the Stude
tow truck waiting for me to get it running again (been sitting up in a barn
for nearly 25 years in Scott county, WV)
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] La France - IH Navistar, hmmm
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Brien
Why put up with one of those wimpy Cadillac's when you can have
a
NAVISTAR
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6026041/
John
==============================
I'd thought of doing this with one of those 50s' La France open
seat
Fire Engines - there's a 'beauty' sitting in Poughkeepsie just
rusting
quietly - drips with chrome - single open front seat - split
windshield - no doors to speak of - >
one plasma arc & a welding rig would put me in way cool pickup
territory -
=Bt=
milnersXcoupe
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 01:28:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Pulling an Axle
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610240528.k9O5SU104864@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
"
" Jim
"
" SNIP
" My buddy Brian (with the '82 Spirit) needs rear brakes, so we will be
" robbing the backing plates and drums from the spare D35 (they are 10" He
" has
" the expen$ive 9") I have, unless it's the correct width to fit? Anyone?
" '87
" XJ D35 in place of an '82 Spirit M15? (spring pads and brackets don't
" matter
" SNIP
" I dunno what the fit interchange is 'tween the 20 and 15 axle with the
" 10 and 9 inch brakes
afaik the housing ends are completely different. the drums are the
same but the backing plates are not.
" but----my '80 AMX which is an I-6 car should have
" the model 15 rear axle and although I have not tried to verify that it
" does or not the literature for the thing says the rear gear is a value
" that was only offered on the 15 but it does have finned 10 inch brakes
" which were standard on the model 20 axle
afaik only i6 matadors and ambassadors got amc20 axles. all other
sixes got amc15s. your spirit should, and these would be the backing
plates brian needs.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:31:35 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMBASSADORS (now trucks)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F1741947C4F4627D8D3CAC8AC010@xxxxxxx>
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A: My stroker in the '84 J10 will do @20 mpg with LPG at $1.50 a gallon.
That equals @ 25 mpg on gasoline price wise. Not terribly fond of the smell
of oil burners. I don't think the QT would stand up to a weasel either. I
stretched the #@$* out of the old chain (with the O/D part time kit)
haulling stuff. Even a NP208 may be a bit weak for my plans (later I can do
a Dodge NP205 to the 727 lockup trans I have. Hoping to get the 1st and 2nd
lower gear sets with a slightly high stall and lockup at 55 mph with an
electric lock out for when I'm towing.
The Hummer got a Chev TH400 or 700R4 trans (and that's TOOO Chevy for my
liking too! Just the thought of even a Chev 2 ton frame for my planned 4x4
tow and recovery truck doesn't make me happy)
The '73 J4000 with TH400 O/D QT, 3.73 gears and 33" tires nets me @ 17mpg
now. It'll pull a house down if I can attach it right and the tcase chain
doesn't slip!
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMBASSADORS (now trucks)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610240345.k9O3jsa04208@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" I figure I need a small truck for the lighter stuff and
getting in and
" out of my cabin (20 mpg isn't too bad) and as soon as my '84
J10 is done,
" I'll be able to sell the modded '73 J4000 or turn it into a
flatdeck tow
" truck (wish I could find an M715 frame with the 12' bed
option! I won't be
" as happy with a GM 2 ton conversion and FSJ cab)
"
" Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and
stroked!), '73
" J4000 304/TH400/QT tow truck http://www.virtualjeep.com
another possibility for more mileage, if you have a j with a
th400, is
swap the amc motor for a gm 6.2/6.5 diesel. it's the motor in
the
hummer... my friend the engine man drives a 4wd diesel suburban
and
gets in the 20s.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all
have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none
thought
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:38:38 -0700
From: "Andy&Tonja&Phoebe Ray" <raysinvegas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] OVERDRIVE OPTIONS
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I just installed a T-96 OD TT from a 63 Classic into my 64 American NON-TT.
I used the same drive shaft. All you have to do is swap the tail shaft
housings. Same rear seal, same spline, total no-brainer. I am told that the
T-14 OD is exactly the same length overall as the T-96 OD. Go to the AMC
forum.NET and look through the Transmission postings for this swap. I think
there may be a T-14 OD in Colorado. More than one person replied saying
there was one available. This is your easiest swap. Don't buy a T-96.
They're crap. I just put my 4th one in 12 months. Let us know how you make
out!
Andy Ray
64 440H(2)
68 Javelin SST 343 4bbl
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:43:50 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Pulling an Axle/ Now Jeep brake micro fishe
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <000201c6f72f$634b2330$48de0d82@john1>
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List,
I have a Jeep parts micro-fishe for 1981 - 1983 and a reader that will
read it. That is the hard part.
I have used these fishe for various research bits and pieces of info
where I knew what the correlation was between the Jeep call out and the
same part used on a car. But on the whole unless you have further
information trying to cross reference parts are almost impossible.
What I can not do is see if part A that fits a Jeep 2 wheel drive etc.
will also fit a Spirit. The information on the parts description is not
broad enough to try to figure it out. So-----
If in looking up these parts can help some one on making jeep parts fit
a Spirit and I can help drop me a note. By the same token, being as I
have a fiche reader maybe some one who has fiche with no way to read
them might be interested in selling those fiche.
Concept!
John
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 22:55:45 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] pulling an axle
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A: I took pics of the "35C" cast into the center pumpkin of an '88 Eagle
diff (it still had 2 piece axles) back in '99 or so. Lost them with many
others in the online photo site crash (owner ran out of money supposedly)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] pulling an axle
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610201552.k9KFqRo09683@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" A: That would be @'91 and newer. Prior to that, the Dana 35 XJ
axle (which
" shares the center section with Model 15) has the style where
the backing
" plate holds the axle in. It's tougher to tell in car but if
the whole
" differential is out of the car, you can see the axle tube is
larger diameter
" at the backing plate to fit the bearing on earlier rigs ('84
to 08/90 and
" maybe more) I never got around to checking to see if the early
XJ axles
" would swap with Eagle axles.
another clue you could see in the car: the c-clip axles have 9"
drums;
earlier were 10". [btw same 10 x 1.75" drums as amc v8s back to
'73]
" I do know you can bolt the whole XJ rear diff into an Eagle
(I've done it
" twice) but the shock mounts need to be cut off and
repositioned. If you keep
" an eye out for a parts Comanche, you may even find a D44 or
Model 20 (you'll
" need shock mounts and new spring pads welded on to bolt it in)
i've heard that just as some early xjs came with amc15 axles,
some
late eagles had d35s - from the factory.
the xj axle is wider than the usual hornet/concord one, but both
xjs
and eagles use those deep-offset wheels.
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have seen
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thought
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 05:20:57 -0400
From: Russell Neyhart <rtneyhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMBASSADORS (now trucks)
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Good Morning,
Trucks... why I have one.
My wife and I had two small cars for quite some time before buying a
truck in 2003. We had an '89 Corolla All-Trac sedan and '90 Protege
sedan in Maine. Brought 'em to Virginia where the Corolla was traded
(at 176k) for a '96 Tercel sedan. We bought a Chinese folding cargo
trailer that with the stakes was 4'x8'x2+'. I towed this trailer behind
my Protege for a between two and three years until buying a new '01
Saturn SL2. I then towed the trailer behind it until buying the truck -
an '03 S10 4WD Crew Cab. I don't haul a lot of "stuff" although at
times I _do_ haul things I wouldn't want inside. The small 4' bed hauls
probably 90 to 95% of what I need and for the other 5-10% I have my
trusty rusty super-special Chinese trailer. I also use it when we go
camping to tow our small pop-up camper. Other than that, my wife uses
it to go back and forth to work (a whopping 5-6 miles round trip). The
truck gets a (poor) 18 to _maybe_ 19 MPG highway. At my previous job I
had a company van (a Dodge Grand Caravan with the nifty Stow 'n Go
seats) that got 22 MPG with the 3.3l V6. I sold my Saturn during this
time and took some of the cash to buy my Eagle as I wanted a second
non-work-owned vehicle that was a bit more practical than the SL2. Two
car seats and some stuff filled it up REAL fast. If my new job was
around town here (haha - like THAT'll happen) I'd have just drove around
the Eagle and not bought another Saturn - this time an LW300.
Basically I use my truck halfway (by what seems to be what most here
use a truck for) like a truck. Judging by the fuel economy it gets with
the 4.3l V6, I could've had a V8! The only problem with a (insert your
favorite brand here) full-size pickup is that I haven't much space to
park as it is... at the end of my drive there are bushes on either side
meaning a full-size wouldn't be able to open the doors there! Ack. If
I get a larger camper, then I'll get a larger truck that my wife will
drive around and to work as she doesn't drive much. I'll drive the
smaller somewhat more fuel-efficient car on my 70-mile round-trip
commute. Of course when I've done some more work to the Eagle...
Regards,
Russell
1988 Eagle Wagon
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:01:17 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] To The Recovering Mark Price
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I am glad to see you are on the mend Mark. I am not trying to be funny
but are you going to give up mountain biking?
"Doc"
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