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(Sandwich Maker) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:23:43 -0700 From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] OT: Free at last! To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: Strokers <strokers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC-DelMarVA: yahoogroups.com" <AMC-DelMarVA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <26278577.1161656623616.JavaMail.root@web11> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 In one of my Local Stagehand Union meetings this would fall under good and wellfair. The brace is off!!! Wow, who'd of thunk that a human head could feel so heavy after being propped up for three months! [My wife would as she doubtlessly thinks I have a big head anyway! :]] I knew there was going to be a transition period, but wow, this is hard to do. Every move is a work out and I'm beat! Great news is the dr says that I should expect full 100% recovery with no long term effects. It seems if one is going to break vertabrae thye should brake the ones I broke in the way I broke mine. If your keeping notes that would mean stable fratcures on C7, T3,T4,T5. Now, if your interested in breaking you collarbone you should be more careful and try for a simple inner third break with no dissplacement. Do not try for the breaking it in the center into 4 seperate pieces. It seems that allthough the end is near, there is still work to be done. Next Monday I hope to get the date for the pin to be removed from my collarbone. That will be a good day indeed! I need to start thinking about getting some items taken care of. I hope to get a little done in the shop while I'm waitign for release to go back to work. I asked over on the forum about relocating the speedo drive gear on an Ford T5 to match up with a AMC tailhousing, no replies at all. I need to figure out a means of reorganizing things here, what a mess! I will be glad when I get a handle on all this stuff and back to normal. Whatever that is! -- Mark Price markprice242ATadelphia.net Morgantown, WV ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:35:13 -0700 From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Overdrive To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <9693458.1161657313106.JavaMail.root@web11> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 For low buck overdrive I would look for the overdrive four speed used by Ford in the late 70's, The guts can be then swapped into a toploader case and bolted up with AMC parts. This will then adpat to the column shift, giving you four forward gears with over drive on the column. For reverse you put the column in nuetral and either use a heavy overdirve type cable under the dash to engage reverse Or you mount a rod discreetly up thru the floor and pull or push th e rod to engage reverse. Is it worth all the work to gain overdrive and keep a column shift??? You decide! You may be able to use the entire Ford overdrive four speed, depending on shifter placement, it is a top shifted trans. The other lowbuck option is an S-10 shifted T5 with a nice old fashioned gooseneck shifter. It would still look old school with a white or black mushroom knob. Mark Price markprice242ATadelphia.net Morgantown, WV ---- JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > I checked my T-96 with OD tonight and compared it to > he T-14 sitting on the garage floor. There is no way > the T-96 overdrive unit would adapt to the T-14. > There are major differences in dimensions and shifter > configuration. > > Joe Fulton > Salinas, CA > > > _______________________________________________ > AMC-List mailing list > AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > or go to http://www.amc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:34:46 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMBASSADORS (now trucks) To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <BAY114-F953B314C7C0B1F29A0EA7AC010@xxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm one of those "I drive a truck cuz I haul stuff around and like to offroad" kind of guys. Between hauling spare parts and building materials plus other stuff, my trucks are rarely empty! I looked in the back of my '73 J4000 and currently there is a towbar, several different sized spare tires, an oxy/acet torch cart, several sheets of plywood for a makeshift repair shelter along with a tarp and tent poles, various pieces of scrap metal I'm getting rid of or moving from A to B. Plus an XJ D35 axle. In the back of my '87 Comanche (with canopy) is a large TV set I got free and as soon as I get to S Seattle in time, it'll be hopefully fixed for reasonable. Some chunks of firewood, 2 spare tires to keep the TV in place (and one under the truck) and small getcha back tool box and the TH400 nailhead to AMC 327 adapter ring and starter spacer. Plus all the tools, jumper cables, wind up lights, tow rope and light chain as well as other sundry auto accessories locked in my cab. Oh, and an emergency blanket and sleeping bag in a suitcase. Just in case (I drive hwy 2 in winter time to get to my cabin near Index) I tow with fair frequency (mostly with the J4000 to haul the '82 Spirit last night and my parts rigs I have stashed here and there) but can't tow anymore with my Comanche. (the clutch started to shudder on takeoff a month ago, so I know it's just a matter of time before it lets go. AW4 conversion will be done as soon as I get time to get the rest of the wiring harness and computer from the '87 Cherokee I'm parting out, IF they are plug and play because I want to change the dash wiring too so I can have a factory clock and radio as well as AC next summer) I figure I need a small truck for the lighter stuff and getting in and out of my cabin (20 mpg isn't too bad) and as soon as my '84 J10 is done, I'll be able to sell the modded '73 J4000 or turn it into a flatdeck tow truck (wish I could find an M715 frame with the 12' bed option! I won't be as happy with a GM 2 ton conversion and FSJ cab) Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73 J4000 304/TH400/QT tow truck http://www.virtualjeep.com AMC list subscription options link http://www.amxfiles.com/amc-list/options.cfm From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMBASSADORS (now trucks) To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D019DC3C8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" As Tom pointed out, I think if you look in cities and over the country in general you'll find 74-80% of light trucks and SUVs rarely, if ever, used to haul anything. I don't mean the occasional trip to pick up a new piece of furniture or something like that, but what they were meant for. In some parts of the country, like VA hills, people are a bit more sensible about using a truck and a car. Some places (like mountainous regions) actually have a good reason for a small to medium sized 4x4 SUV due to weather conditions -- and impracticality of owning two (summer/winter) vehicles. Then there are the people who tow often enough that they need the capacity, then drive the vehicle at other times to avoid the cost of owning two vehicles. With reasonable gas prices ($2.05 a gallon is cheaper than I thought it would be now, I was praying for $2.50!!) that's not an unreasonable idea -- especially if parking is at a premium. Insurance and maintenance on another vehicle, unless it's an older beater, would be more than gas costs. I'm not unreasonable, there are plenty situations that justify a big vehicle, just not nearly as many as are out there. It's simple -- the US makers can't compete with others so make a new category they can still excel in -- for a time. Now the others are hitting them there. So what's next? Better engineering finally? I think it will come, like it finally id in the late 70s/early 80s, but will it be to late? Mahoney is in the best position to comment on that, but I think the answer is "it might be". My cousin stated he didn't know what he was gonna do when the gas prices went up so much over the summer. He "needed" his Expedition to cart his wife and two (small) kids around!! When they traveled the wife and kids take a lot of luggage... THAT MUCH!!!??? I laughed. Told him to go buy something like a Liberty and one of those small streamlined trailers painted to match. Then when he needed the room he'd have it, but wouldn't have to drag it around all the time. I think he was considering it. I was joking around, but it's not a bad idea... _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:37:52 -0700 From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] Woohoo T-5 Cluster scored! To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "AMC-DelMarVA: yahoogroups.com" <AMC-DelMarVA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <26064297.1161661072638.JavaMail.root@web11> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Double fun day! Just found a cluster for my 2.95 geared T5 trans! Now as soon as I am able to do some reasonable grunt work I can tear it down and get it set up for the American! I picked up a speed sensor assembly for it to go with my new electronic speedo from a guy on the strokers list. I'm going to have to seal up the bare metal on the Ambassador and put it outside for a bit. I've got a guy coming to cut down a couple of large trees that are too close the house, so when that is done I'll push the Ambo out and do the trans and dash in the American. If all goes well I may even go for the carpet. Now I feel like I'm getting somewhere!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T5-2-95-ratio-Custer-070-Super-Alloy-T-5-Motorsports-Z_W0QQitemZ250042086479QQihZ015QQcategoryZ33733QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem item# 250042086479 Mark Price markprice242ATadelphia.net Morgantown, WV ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:39:04 -0700 From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Overdrive To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <000f01c6f71d$f8133b40$48de0d82@john1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" SNIP The other lowbuck option is an S-10 shifted T5 with a nice old fashioned gooseneck shifter. It would still look old school with a white or black mushroom knob. SNIP I have an aluminum knob that looks like a Crosly piston that was on a 39 Ford floor shift that I owned once. I could possibly donate it to the project or sell if for some ridiculous price. John. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:41:09 -0400 (EDT) From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Overdrive To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <200610240341.k9O3f9U04115@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> " From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx> " " For low buck overdrive I would look for the overdrive four speed used " by Ford in the late 70's, The guts can be then swapped into a " toploader case and bolted up with AMC parts. This will then adapt to " the column shift, giving you four forward gears with over drive on " the column. For reverse you put the column in neutral and either use " a heavy overdirve type cable under the dash to engage reverse Or you " mount a rod discreetly up thru the floor and pull or push th e rod to " engage reverse. " Is it worth all the work to gain overdrive and keep a column shift??? " You decide! " You may be able to use the entire Ford overdrive four speed, " depending on shifter placement, it is a top shifted trans. " The other lowbuck option is an S-10 shifted T5 with a nice old " fashioned gooseneck shifter. It would still look old school with a " white or black mushroom knob. the o/d 4sp can be found in iron side-shifter cases, in late '70s granadas, and with a jeep-like cane shifter in early [mid?] '80s ford pickups. matter of fact, if you're swapping the guts from a srod to an iron case you need the granada input as it's the correct length where the srod's is 5/8" too long. alas, neither these nor the t5 will bolt to a '69 232 - hence the interest in the t14-o/d. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:43:20 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] pulling an axle To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <BAY114-F4974E4297BFE67A0C8D11AC010@xxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed A: I'm about to find out about some of this stuff. I just sold a customer some ZJ rear disc brakes today and found out that there was a '93/94 only rear disc brake version. The rest were the same '95 thru '98. I'd like to get a Model 20 (from a Comanche) soon to put under my truck (hopefully while I do the AW4 from BA 10/5 swap) so I can do a rear disc brake conversion. I don't want to waste the money on my current D35. My buddy Brian (with the '82 Spirit) needs rear brakes, so we will be robbing the backing plates and drums from the spare D35 (they are 10" He has the expen$ive 9") I have, unless it's the correct width to fit? Anyone? '87 XJ D35 in place of an '82 Spirit M15? (spring pads and brackets don't matter as I have a welder and the ability from learning to weld on the Alaska pipeline years ago and more recent other Jeep axle welding) From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) Subject: Re: [AMC-List] pulling an axle To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <200610231345.k9NDjn524971@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> " From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx> " " One more thing you'll notice if you drive both Xj's the pre C-clip axles are much quieter!!! " The earlier axles are tight in the bearing. The C-clip axle knock in and out on rough roads and clunk! " If you've got a choice of two axles, like gear,posi etc; I'd pick the earlier axle due to larger brakes and the quieter operation. " That being said, I know there is a popular swap to Grand Cherokee rear discs on the XJ axle, early and late will work, you jsut have to do a few things differently. I'm wondering what it would take to move up to the 10" brakes on a 97 axle. I'd think if the discs swap the drums should too! hmmm... afaik the early d35 axle housingss have a square flange, same as the amc20 [yes] and some jeep d44 and ford axles. i hadn't heard the gc disk swap would work on early axles, but i don't know everything... also afaik the c-clip d35s have a mopar housing flange, so maybe 10" - or even 11" - mopar brakes would bolt on. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought - _________________________________________________________________ Use your PC to make calls at very low rates https://voiceoam.pcs.v2s.live.com/partnerredirect.aspx ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:45:54 -0400 (EDT) From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMBASSADORS (now trucks) To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <200610240345.k9O3jsa04208@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> " From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> " " I figure I need a small truck for the lighter stuff and getting in and " out of my cabin (20 mpg isn't too bad) and as soon as my '84 J10 is done, " I'll be able to sell the modded '73 J4000 or turn it into a flatdeck tow " truck (wish I could find an M715 frame with the 12' bed option! I won't be " as happy with a GM 2 ton conversion and FSJ cab) " " Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73 " J4000 304/TH400/QT tow truck http://www.virtualjeep.com another possibility for more mileage, if you have a j with a th400, is swap the amc motor for a gm 6.2/6.5 diesel. it's the motor in the hummer... my friend the engine man drives a 4wd diesel suburban and gets in the 20s. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:52:14 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Overdrive Options? To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <BAY114-F77B05E7C3CA21AC619374AC010@xxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed A: I don't recall what the trans was I had for my '66 Fairlane. It was supposedly a 3 speed modded with O/D in place of reverse and reverse moved into the tail stock? (Ford Factory Granada thing I bought from http://www.darkhorseperformance.com well before Y2K. He's the West Coast Tremec dealer and repair shop) I used it with the column shifter and put a Jeep Quadratrac low range cable under the dash to operate reverse gear (as it had 3 levers) I had to push in the handle to engage reverse (made a great theft detterent till I swapped from 289 std to 428 auto and it was stolen) which wouldn't let any other gear engage unless it was pulled out (most would think it was an Ebrake and push it in) From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Overdrive Options? To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <200610231900.k9NJ0Kx28534@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> " From: "BUS-ENG" <jay@xxxxxxxxxx> " " " I am hoping someone on the list has personal experience " with installing an overdrive on an AMC 3-speed car. " " The tranny in my newly-acquired (from Mike Kindle in " LA) '69 American SW is going to need some work. " " While at it, I thought would be great opportunity to install " either (a) a transmission with a built-in OD, or (b) add " the Laycock unit to the T-14 in the car, or to the 150-T " that the FAQ lists as a good substitute. the laycock was never used with the t14, only with the t150 which won't fit the pre-'72 sixes. you could in principle adapt it, starting with say a 4wd jeep t14 mainshaft and extension case and making your parts from there. " I want to keep the column shift and to keep the car as " original as possible, but would like the quiet and economy " of an overdrive. " " Informed suggestions? not sure what you mean by 'transmission with a built-in OD', but if you have a 199 or 232 your only options are a t96 or t14, with or without the warner r10 o/d. t14-o/d were only available '68-9, not popular, and very rare now. it's the more desireable though as it's full synchro, and stronger than the t96 to boot. if you have a 232, your tranny now should be the t14. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought _________________________________________________________________ Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with Live Search! http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:53:18 -0400 (EDT) From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) Subject: Re: [AMC-List] pulling an axle To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <200610240353.k9O3rIQ04285@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> " From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> " " A: I'm about to find out about some of this stuff. I just sold a customer " some ZJ rear disc brakes today and found out that there was a '93/94 only " rear disc brake version. The rest were the same '95 thru '98. i've heard that zj rear disks are a straight swap to any c-clip jeep d35 with abs even if you have to include the axle shafts, -except- for the e-brake cables. i don't know if there's a clean solution for this; i've only heard of hacks that used the drum brake cables. " I'd like to get a Model 20 (from a Comanche) soon to put under my truck " (hopefully while I do the AW4 from BA 10/5 swap) so I can do a rear disc " brake conversion. I don't want to waste the money on my current D35. if it's a non-c-clip d35, the disk kit may be the same. " My buddy Brian (with the '82 Spirit) needs rear brakes, so we will be " robbing the backing plates and drums from the spare D35 (they are 10" He has " the expen$ive 9") I have, unless it's the correct width to fit? Anyone? '87 " XJ D35 in place of an '82 Spirit M15? (spring pads and brackets don't matter " as I have a welder and the ability from learning to weld on the Alaska " pipeline years ago and more recent other Jeep axle welding) i don't think the d35 backing plates will fit the amc15 axle. the d35 -should- be the same width as the eagle's amc15, but i believe that's a tad wider than the rwd car's rear. a number of late-'70s/early-'80s cars came with 10" on amc15s, most commonly wagons and spirit amxes. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:54:28 -0700 From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Overdrive To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <8793098.1161662068488.JavaMail.root@web11> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 OOPs forgot about the 69 six cylinder issue!!! Well, almost had an idear. Tom Bunsey had an overdrive a while back. I don't know if he wanted to sell, but he may know there whereabouts of another if he's still reading the list. -- Mark Price markprice242ATadelphia.net Morgantown, WV ---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > " From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > " > " For low buck overdrive I would look for the overdrive four speed used > " by Ford in the late 70's, The guts can be then swapped into a > " toploader case and bolted up with AMC parts. This will then adapt to > " the column shift, giving you four forward gears with over drive on > " the column. For reverse you put the column in neutral and either use > " a heavy overdirve type cable under the dash to engage reverse Or you > " mount a rod discreetly up thru the floor and pull or push th e rod to > " engage reverse. > " Is it worth all the work to gain overdrive and keep a column shift??? > " You decide! > " You may be able to use the entire Ford overdrive four speed, > " depending on shifter placement, it is a top shifted trans. > " The other lowbuck option is an S-10 shifted T5 with a nice old > " fashioned gooseneck shifter. It would still look old school with a > " white or black mushroom knob. > > the o/d 4sp can be found in iron side-shifter cases, in late '70s > granadas, and with a jeep-like cane shifter in early [mid?] '80s ford > pickups. matter of fact, if you're swapping the guts from a srod to > an iron case you need the granada input as it's the correct length > where the srod's is 5/8" too long. > > alas, neither these nor the t5 will bolt to a '69 232 - hence the > interest in the t14-o/d. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Andrew Hay the genius nature > internet rambler is to see what all have seen > adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought > _______________________________________________ > AMC-List mailing list > AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > or go to http://www.amc-list.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:57:46 -0400 (EDT) From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Overdrive Options? To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <200610240357.k9O3vkO04376@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> " From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> " " A: I don't recall what the trans was I had for my '66 Fairlane. It was " supposedly a 3 speed modded with O/D in place of reverse and reverse moved " into the tail stock? (Ford Factory Granada thing I bought from " http://www.darkhorseperformance.com well before Y2K. He's the West Coast " Tremec dealer and repair shop) I used it with the column shifter and put a " Jeep Quadratrac low range cable under the dash to operate reverse gear (as " it had 3 levers) I had to push in the handle to engage reverse (made a great " theft detterent till I swapped from 289 std to 428 auto and it was stolen) " which wouldn't let any other gear engage unless it was pulled out (most " would think it was an Ebrake and push it in) if it wasn't original it was probably a late-'70s granada unit, essentially a regular 4sp toploader with 3rd the o/d and the 3-4 lever arm inverted to reverse shifting. as i've said, this box is dimensionally a straight swap for the amc t150 3sp of the late '70s. if it was original, it could be a t86 with warner r10 o/d, just like amc used. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list End of AMC-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 59 ***************************************