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Today's Topics:
1. Carter carb search (J Johnson)
2. Re: clutches heavy duty (Mark Price)
3. Re: Carter carb search (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
4. Re: clutches heavy duty (Mark Price)
5. pulling an axle (russ hathaway)
6. Jav vs C####o numbers (russ hathaway)
7. Dist cap colors (russ hathaway)
8. pulling an axle (johnny kazek)
9. FREEEEEE!!!!!! 258 Last Chance (Mr. AMC)
10. Re: Carter carb search (John Elle)
11. Re: pulling an axle (Tom Jennings)
12. Re: pulling an axle (Tom Jennings)
13. Carter Carb Search (JOE FULTON)
14. New Owners of an '87 Eagle (wl1004640)
15. Re: Carter carb search (Ken Ames)
16. Re: Carter carb search -Correction (John Elle)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:01:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: J Johnson <imfatdad@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Carter carb search
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>From another board I visit.. fella is looking for some Carter carbs..
anyleads would be appreciated.
"snip"
I want to use the Jeep carbs. They are a huge one-barrel design by
Carter. On the fuel line side of the top, it has '6-2087' cast into it.
The main body has two #s on it. The first is right above the return
spring. '2239' The other is just left of that. '6552S'.
Since only 2 or three are gonna be functional, I really only need 1 or
2 that are rebuildable. The rest just need to have good shells.
"snip"
These carbs "typical" for motor or only off Jeeps???
Thanks in advance.
J.
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 9:59:53 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] clutches heavy duty
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I'm running a generic rebuilt Jeep 10.9" setup in th eAmerican, works great, Cheap and my leg doesn't shake!
I can't report on the make as I horse traded a 4.0L shortblock and misc; for it and the flywheel.
My only real advise is to NEVER buy a cheep Throwout/release bearing. I thought I bought a decent one and it was noisy in no time. I went to Mcleod for the second one. paid three times as much, but no noise! My only dissapointement is the Mcleods use to have Zerk fittings in them, this one does not.
Anyone still make a release bearing with a Zerk?
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- "Swygert wrote:
> The typical Rambler car clutches were really light. They were designed
> that way to slip a little for a smoother engagement. Using the standard
> Jeep clutch should be more than adequate. They are designed for a more
> positive engagement. Makes sense because of the difference in usage --
> easy to drive car vs. working truck. There should be little or no slip
> in the Jeep clutch, which does have stronger springs.
>
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:14:47 -0500
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Carter carb search
To: <imfatdad@xxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sounds like the typical Carter YF carb. These were used on 195.6 L-head
(flat head) engines as well as Jeeps, and many other appications. Jets
and such will vary by application, of course. I pulled two from L-head
196 engines and both had different size main jets. There was only a year
or two between the cars they came from, but apparently one was set up
for high altitude operation (larger main jet). I didn't notice the jet
size difference at first and ended up with a hole burned in a piston --
I ran them on a fabricated twin carb intake on a 196 OHV.
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 10:23:14 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] clutches heavy duty
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Armand Eshleman <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I had the same problem witha 64 American.
196 OHC, twinstick. I was 17 and the D@&ned thing would not spin a tire!
You could floor it and pop the clutch, it would lift in the front and take off, but the clutch did not have enough hold to turn the tires!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Armand Eshleman <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> My Javelin just has a standard plate and disc in it now. This does really
> suck as shifting into third gear the clutch seems to slip, that never
> happened with the Hayes setup. However I certainly don"t want all the pedal
> pressure either. There has to be a happy medium somewhere. Maybe that might
> be to just slow down and smell the roses and enjoy cruising.
>
> take care all,
>
> Armand
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:23:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] pulling an axle
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Johnny; every axle I have pulled I remove the four
bolts as you know, then the the big ol yoke inside the
axle. It will take a 3/4 inch socket I believe. There
are two bolts and they are not very hard to remove.
You will see them once you remove the inspection
cover. On an older car you should be able to just yank
the axle out. On some I have had to reverse an old hub
and use it like a slide hammer, twist on five lug nuts
about three threads each and slide hammer away. I have
never had to resort to anything more heavy than that
and I have pulled many an axle......Russ
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:35:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Jav vs C####o numbers
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Man you got more time than I do!! I figured they were
close and would'a bet GM made more, but 7 years time
versus one year.....Russ
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:04:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Dist cap colors
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Mark, I read that the plastics industry has a standard
to color their plastics depending on the quality of
the plastic. Black is the basic plastic, the cheaper
stuff. Blue is the top quality and grey is the middle.
I believe that is the way it goes. Black would be
correct for the basic cap....Russ
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:42:52 +0000
From: "johnny kazek" <johnnykazek@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] pulling an axle
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Ok, so far so good, I think. Pulled hub by attaching old drum with
bolts then pulling, was loose so didn't take much to come off.
Pulled axle by putting nut back on and pulling on bad hub. Came out
easier than I thought it would.
Putting it back in I'm not so sure about. Was the differential
bearing and cup supposed to come out with the axle? If so I'm in
trouble, mine stayed in. The manual is a little vague on this, can I
tap it the rest of the way in with a rubber mallet (axle is about an
inch short of where it should be) or am I missing something?
Thanks for all the help and for being so patient.
-- Johnny
PS. For the record, I was wrong about brake backing plate torque lbs
not being in the manual, it is and it's 30-35.
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:56:19 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] FREEEEEE!!!!!! 258 Last Chance
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No response from the person that was looking for a running 258 last
monday and even E-Mailing him directly that was willing to go 3 hours
outside of N,Y. City to pick it up. I am 15 minutes from the N.Y City
line still no response?????? It going to the dump early saturday
morning. Very sad. Sorry not going to keep it for a day or two if
contacted. Sat, it goes.
"Doc"
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 18:06:01 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Carter carb search
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SNIP
fella is looking for some Carter carbs..
anyleads would be appreciated.
These carbs "typical" for motor or only off Jeeps???
SNIP
IF these are the Carter YF Carburetors, and yes Jeep
and other AMC I-6 engines used them so they should
be available easily, "Big" may be a figment of some
ones imagination. I am not sure of the size exactly
but it is generally assumed that they are smaller
than the BBD carburetor and I have literature that
indicates the BBD carburetor is 178 CFM but that is
neither here nor there if they are what you want.
However when I search data for them I usually find
that they were used for quite awhile on I6 Ford trucks
Including the 300 cu in version. Circa about 1972
And there is a lot of information on Ford truck web
Sites and lists about them.
I do not know how interchangeable these things are
with AMC applications.
John.
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:00:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] pulling an axle
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, russ hathaway wrote:
> Johnny; every axle I have pulled I remove the four
> bolts as you know, then the the big ol yoke inside the
> axle. It will take a 3/4 inch socket I believe. There
> are two bolts and they are not very hard to remove.
? What part is that? All AMC axles I know of, the inner end of the
axle is simply splined, and slides into the gear cluster.
Never had to remove the cover to pull an axle.
Am I missing something? (WOuldn't be the first time!)
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:08:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] pulling an axle
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, johnny kazek wrote:
> Putting it back in I'm not so sure about. Was the differential
> bearing and cup supposed to come out with the axle? If so I'm in
> trouble, mine stayed in. The manual is a little vague on this, can I
> tap it the rest of the way in with a rubber mallet (axle is about an
> inch short of where it should be) or am I missing something?
Nope, just a splined end. Try not to mung(*) up the grease seal
on the way back in!
It's a really really really really really really really really
good time to change the axle bearings and seals. You'll later
regret not doing that now.
If you've packed the area outside the inner grease seal with
grease, the axle assembly might resist insertion. But it should
insert all the way flush/flat. Lean on it hard, eg. pressure,
but NO (zero) need to hammer etc. Put a short 2x4" wood on
the axle threaded end, pound with your palm. The parts are not
delicate, but hammering, not so good on bearings and seals :-)
When BOTH axles are in and bolted snug, check the axle end play.
It's in the TSM, somethin like a few or dozen mils of end
slop. Can't check unless both axles are bolted snug (bearing
retainer -> axle -> gear cluster -> axle -> bearing retainer).
Unless it was bad when you took it apart, it will be good when
you assemble it with the original shims. It's not THAT critical,
but you certainly don't want it to be tight and ruin the bearings.
For THAT test, get a 4 lb hammer and a wood block, set each
axle in with a whack on the axle, one side then the other;
then pull/push the recommended side to check play. Dial guage
is best, but you could rig up some kludge to judge end play.
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:45:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Carter Carb Search
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I looked up the rated flows for the YF and the BBD
carbs on an offroad Jeep site the just the other day
to answer a question for a newby on the AMC forum.
As I recall a YF flows about 178 cfm and a BBD is
rated at 275 to 285 cfm.
Those numbers could be a little off, but they are in
the ball park I believe.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 22:01:45 -0500
From: wl1004640 <wnlewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] New Owners of an '87 Eagle
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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--
Carrie and I just got an '87 Eagle Ltd. Wagon. I am in the process of
restoring it to factory condition. At the top of the list are new
seat belts for it. The passenger's side buckle broke and I need to
replace it. The seat belts are a caramel color. So that is what I am
needing.
The next item I need to get are outside rear view mirrors for it. I
would like to get electric remote mirrors, but for right now I would
settle for good cable operated ones.
The next thing I need at this time are the correct hanger brackets
for the exhaust system.
Thanks for your help.
Wm. Neal & Carrie L. Lewis
wnlewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 21:07:08 -0600
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Carter carb search
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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A '6552S' card would be from about 1974/1975.
Ken
Quoting J Johnson <imfatdad@xxxxxxxxx>:
> >From another board I visit.. fella is looking for some Carter carbs..
> anyleads would be appreciated.
>
> "snip"
> I want to use the Jeep carbs. They are a huge one-barrel design by
> Carter. On the fuel line side of the top, it has '6-2087' cast into it.
> The main body has two #s on it. The first is right above the return
> spring. '2239' The other is just left of that. '6552S'.
> Since only 2 or three are gonna be functional, I really only need 1 or
> 2 that are rebuildable. The rest just need to have good shells.
> "snip"
>
> These carbs "typical" for motor or only off Jeeps???
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> J.
>
>
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:35:45 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Carter carb search -Correction
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SNIP
I have literature that
indicates the BBD carburetor is 178 CFM
SNIP
Well----I said I had the data so this time
I read it first. Sorry about that, I do not
know where I got 178 CFM from but it is
wrong.
It seems like the older I get the more
senior moments become part of my life.
The data sheet rated the BBD at 195 CFM
John.
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