Nick: still looking for parts for my 79 concord electric wagon, remember, it only has 491 miles on it, Garry 71 401 79 AMX 84 Scrambler ----- Original Message ----- From: <amc-list-request@xxxxxxx> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 1:13 PM Subject: AMC-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 37 > Send AMC-List mailing list submissions to > amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > amc-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > You can reach the person managing the list at > amc-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of AMC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: What type of AT does a Gladiator have? (Sandwich Maker) > 2. Re: 71 AMX 401, 4spd for sale > (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM) > 3. Re: What type of AT does a Gladiator have? -- I want one! (or > Comanche) (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM) > 4. Re: What type of AT does a Gladiator have? (John Elle) > 5. Pomona swap meet, or any swap meet (KENT ANDERSON) > 6. 69 camaros and Javs (Nick ALFANO) > 7. Identify 343 V-8 flexplate and balancer? > (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM) > 8. Need Gremlin door tag info (Nick ALFANO) > 9. t-5 transmission for 304 (d stohler) > 10. Re: t-5 transmission for 304 (Mark Price) > 11. Re: Pomona swap meet, or any swap meet (Mark Price) > 12. Re: Pomona swap meet, or any swap meet (Mark Price) > 13. Re: RHD conversion (Tom Jennings) > 14. Pomona swap meet, et al (russ hathaway) > 15. Re: t-5 transmission for 304 (Sandwich Maker) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:12:38 -0400 (EDT) > From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) > Subject: Re: [AMC-List] What type of AT does a Gladiator have? > To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <200610131212.k9DCCck19580@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > " From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx> > " > " BorgWarner M series? > > yes, before '65. this jeep has a 327. > > " Quoting Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>: > " > " > " From: Justin Shelton <hydeparker@xxxxxxxxx> > " > " > " > " > " > " I just posted about the Jeep Gladiator in a junk yard in SB. > " > " > " > " Does anyone know what AT was used in them? I know nothing about > " > " Jeeps. This just got me to wondering. > " > > " > th400, buick 'nailhead' [pre-'66 425 et al] case with adapter ring. > " > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > Andrew Hay the genius nature > internet rambler is to see what all have seen > adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:22:13 -0500 > From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" > <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 71 AMX 401, 4spd for sale > To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: > <092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D0198751F@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 71 AMX 401, 4spd for sale > > Folks, > > Why does one consider this car rare????? > > Peter > -------------- > > It's all relative! Us AMC guys see them "all the time" because we look > for them and know where all the local ones are. But there were much > fewer Javelins (period) made than the other pony cars, and the general > automotive public (even pony collectors) doesn't pay much attention to > anything that isn't popular. Even for Javelins a 401 4 speed combo isn't > common though. Fewer than 25% (I'm being conservative, probably 20% or > less) had four speeds. An auto was/is best for most drag racing. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:01:21 -0500 > From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" > <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: [AMC-List] What type of AT does a Gladiator have? -- I > want one! (or Comanche) > To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: > <092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D01987574@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The 230 OHC used a Borg-Warner M-8 (AS-8F) auto according to the IFSJA > site. > (http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/db.html) > That's a cast iron trans, predecessor to M-10/11/12. AMC used the M-8 in > the early 60s behind the 327. I think it has a vacuum modulator, not > positive. > Jeep 327s used the "universal" (nailhead) pattern TH-400 and adapter. As > Mark says, I've never seen one, but I'm sure there were a few 232s with > the TH-400 running around at one time. Most of those old J-trucks got > used/abused and thrown away -- 20 years later! I've been looking for > one, and just let one slip away!! The one I looked at about a week and a > half ago is gone. Took me that long to decide I really would like to > have one! > > Anyone know of a J-10 or older six cylinder stick shift J-truck that > hasn't been re-axled and lifted (lift I can undo, but I want the high > geared axles, no 4.10s, prefer the 80s 2.73s -- it has a low range in > the t/case if needed!) within a couple hours or so of Dover? I've found > a couple, but all are 360 auto, except for one J-20 in PA that was > converted to a 258 four speed -- w/4.10 gears. Not something I want to > drive on the highway! At this point I'll consider an auto six cylinder > or 304 powered truck. I'll even consider a 360 stick shift/327 stick or > auto. > > I'm looking for a runner, ready to drive with minor work, but doesn't > have to look good at all (just not beat/rusted to near death!). Ideally > it would be around $1000, but I'll look at higher priced trucks. I'll > consider a Comanche also -- six cylinder four or five speed, 2 or 4 WD. > The only thing I found nearby is an 86 w/2.8L. I'm thinking about it, > but really don't want to mess with the little V-6. Would get an EFI > conversion or 3.1/3.4 conversion if I had it, but that's more than I > want to mess with. Would rather put the extra Renix EFI system I have on > a 258! > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:54:53 -0700 > From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: [AMC-List] What type of AT does a Gladiator have? > To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <000001c6eecf$2c8eb9f0$f9dd0d82@john1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Howabout------- > > -a Borg-Warner AS-8F, available from 1962 to 1965 behind the Tornado > 230. > > > > > > I remember seeing one of these engines stuffed into a Simca Roadster > inside > > the radiator repair shop in behind Bobby Hines's house in Holcomb N.Y. > some > > time in the middle 60's. I wonder what ever happened to it? > > Those were the days when you could do things like this with out running > afoul > > of some ill-conceived and implemented smog law. > > John > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:07:34 -0400 > From: "KENT ANDERSON" <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [AMC-List] Pomona swap meet, or any swap meet > To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <002e01c6eed0$f1fb62f0$6400a8c0@SONY> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Russ.... > > If you want, I'll make you a T-shirt that has that front and back. No > more sign! Ten Bucks, and it's on its way to you. > > Kenny > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:48:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [AMC-List] 69 camaros and Javs > To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <20061013144808.64041.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Russ, > > Not only can you buy the body, you can buy the entire > car front to back including the uni-body right out of > a catalog today. Chip Foose built one of these last > year for the BJ auction. I think the Uni-body and tub > up to the firewall starts around $13000.00 for a coupe > or convertible. Open up a Year One catalog or any one > of the other Chevy suppliers and buy the fenders, > doors, interior, engine, trans and so on and you know > have a brand new Camaro. Getting it titled is another > issue though. Some states are much more lenient in > doing this. Others, you have to have a VIN from a car > and then show it as a re-bodied car. > > Wouldn't it be nice just to buy all the factory body > panels for our cars instead of having to put together > 5 patch panels just to fix a quarter and then you only > have a patched panel that needs a fair amount of body > work to straighten and smooth. > > As for rarity, the 71 401 4spd Javelin and AMXs are > both pretty rare when it comes to the muscle car > market. Look at what some of the other car makes are > bringing for cars with production numbers like these. > In addition, the 71 had features/options that were 71 > only like the console that goes under the dash, > different instrument switches, 10.2:1 compression (for > the early 401s), three different rear window options, > leather interior (not sure if you could get that in 72 > or not), Machine wheels, rim blow, etc. > > As a hobby, we need to stop selling our cars short. > They are worth a lot more than what we have been > getting for them. AMC is still a great buy when you > consider the market. Look at the SS AMX for example. > They made a heck of a lot more Hemi Cudas yet a Cuda > will bring 3-4 times as much money. Daytona or > Superbird, again more than the SS AMX yet one of those > I have seen bring over $1,000,000.00. Heck there are > probably still more in existence today then 52 SS they > made. How about the LS6 Chevelle that brought over > 1mil. Restore you car to the best of your means. > Take care of it and don't let it waste away. Some day > that car might make a difference in your life. I > applaud anyone who gets more than the last AMC of it's > kind. We can't continue to get more products for them > without those willing to pay up for a car. > > Nick Alfano > Alfano Performance > Kenosha, WI. 53142 > 262-308-1302 > 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:49:55 -0700 (PDT) > From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [AMC-List] 69 Camaros and Javs > To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: > <20061012234955.73243.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I would say there were more 69 Camaros made than the > entire Jav line from 68 to 74. I am not sure of the > production run in 69, but you can even buy a brand new > 69 Camaro body today.....Russ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:53:45 -0500 > From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" > <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [AMC-List] Identify 343 V-8 flexplate and balancer? > To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: > <092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D019875C1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Can anyone tell me if there is a part number on a 343 flexplate, or how > to definitely identify a 343 vs. 360 flexplate? Also the balancer? A > fellow in CHILE is having problems with "engine vibration at mid rpm". > He's not certain the flexplate is original, or the balancer. I'm not > knowledgeable enough with the V-8s to tell for certain what each should > have or how to definitely identify them. The engine is in a 69 Javelin, > which is rare in Chile. VIN indicates the engine is correct, but I'm > unsure of the trans. I do know it should be a B-W M-1x. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:04:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [AMC-List] Need Gremlin door tag info > To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <20061013150412.61370.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Anyone have the door code information handy for a 74 > Gremlin X, trans am red with the Levis edition? If > so, please let me know. > > Thanks, > > Nick Alfano > Alfano Performance > Kenosha, WI. 53142 > 262-308-1302 > 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends > > Alfano Performance > Kenosha, WI. 53142 > 262-308-1302 > 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:14:45 -0700 (PDT) > From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [AMC-List] t-5 transmission for 304 > To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <20061013151445.28297.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > i got a bellhousing to mount a t-5 to an amc 304. it was out of a 80's cj > with a 6 cyl i was told. i got the fork and throwout bearing also. anyway, > i am not sure of the input shaft length. found a company that sells t-5 > rated at 300 lbs with an input shaft length of 7.19" and 7.87" there are > others that are rated at less lbs to handle with other lengths. shortest > is 7.16 and rated at only 230 lbs. anyone know what whould be the right > input shaft length to work with that bellhousing? i would rather use one > of the 300 lb rated trannys as i plan to have a healthy 304. thanks for > all the help. > > i will be home in the states from iraq for good for thanksgiving. :-D. > so im hoping to have a good winter project. anyway, thanks for all the > help. > > dave stohler > camp taji iraq > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 8:29:21 -0700 > From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: [AMC-List] t-5 transmission for 304 > To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Cc: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: > <13503566.1160753361562.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I don't recognize those lengths. > Mustang input length is commonly referred to as 9 1/4". > That's what you are looking for a 83-92 Ford Mustang length input. > > -- > Mark Price > markprice242ATadelphia.net > Morgantown, WV > > > ---- d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> i got a bellhousing to mount a t-5 to an amc 304. it was out of a 80's cj >> with a 6 cyl i was told. i got the fork and throwout bearing also. >> anyway, i am not sure of the input shaft length. found a company that >> sells t-5 rated at 300 lbs with an input shaft length of 7.19" and 7.87" >> there are others that are rated at less lbs to handle with other lengths. >> shortest is 7.16 and rated at only 230 lbs. anyone know what whould be >> the right input shaft length to work with that bellhousing? i would >> rather use one of the 300 lb rated trannys as i plan to have a healthy >> 304. thanks for all the help. >> >> i will be home in the states from iraq for good for thanksgiving. :-D. >> so im hoping to have a good winter project. anyway, thanks for all the >> help. >> >> dave stohler >> camp taji iraq >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. >> _______________________________________________ >> AMC-List mailing list >> AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list >> >> or go to http://www.amc-list.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 8:35:09 -0700 > From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Pomona swap meet, or any swap meet > To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Cc: KENT ANDERSON <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: > <25024501.1160753709016.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Now that's an awesome Idea! > Though probably not as noticeable as the sign flapping around on your > arse! > -- > Mark Price > markprice242ATadelphia.net > Morgantown, WV > > > ---- KENT ANDERSON <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Russ.... >> >> If you want, I'll make you a T-shirt that has that front and back. No >> more sign! Ten Bucks, and it's on its way to you. >> >> Kenny >> _______________________________________________ >> AMC-List mailing list >> AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list >> >> or go to http://www.amc-list.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 8:36:43 -0700 > From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Pomona swap meet, or any swap meet > To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Cc: KENT ANDERSON <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: > <31781302.1160753803313.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I need one that says, > "Rambler spoken here and my wife doesn't understand"!!!! :] > -- > Mark Price > markprice242ATadelphia.net > Morgantown, WV > > > ---- KENT ANDERSON <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Russ.... >> >> If you want, I'll make you a T-shirt that has that front and back. No >> more sign! Ten Bucks, and it's on its way to you. >> >> Kenny >> _______________________________________________ >> AMC-List mailing list >> AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx >> http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list >> >> or go to http://www.amc-list.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:32:53 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: [AMC-List] RHD conversion > To: AMC-List <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610130931390.7205@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > On Fri, 13 Oct 2006, farna@xxxxxxx wrote: > >> The subject of RHD conversions came up a few days ago, and I mentioned a >> chain drive Jeep conversion. Want to see one? Go to E-bay and search for >> item # 110042028809. > > OK, now that's a whacked project if I ever did seed one. Let's > hope that belt doesn't jump the pulley. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:39:44 -0700 (PDT) > From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [AMC-List] Pomona swap meet, et al > To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <20061013173944.15653.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Tom, be careful about wearing a sign on a windy day, a > good breeze will swing that sign up to yer face. I tie > a waist band on windy days. With the sign, my back > pack and a gallon of water I am dressed for battle.....Russ > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:13:13 -0400 (EDT) > From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) > Subject: Re: [AMC-List] t-5 transmission for 304 > To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <200610131813.k9DIDDM21852@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > " From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > " > " > " ---- d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > " > i got a bellhousing to mount a t-5 to an amc 304. it was out of a > " > 80's cj with a 6 cyl i was told. i got the fork and throwout bearing > " > also. anyway, i am not sure of the input shaft length. found a > " > company that sells t-5 rated at 300 lbs with an input shaft length > " > of 7.19" and 7.87" there are others that are rated at less lbs to > " > handle with other lengths. shortest is 7.16 and rated at only 230 > " > lbs. anyone know what whould be the right input shaft length to work > " > with that bellhousing? i would rather use one of the 300 lb rated > " > trannys as i plan to have a healthy 304. thanks for all the help. > " > > " > i will be home in the states from iraq for good for thanksgiving. > " > :-D. so im hoping to have a good winter project. anyway, thanks for > " > all the help. > " > > " > > " > " I don't recognize those lengths. > " Mustang input length is commonly referred to as 9 1/4". > " That's what you are looking for a 83-92 Ford Mustang length input. > > i've seen those numbers; 7.19" for '83-'93 5.0 t5s, 7.87" for '93-4 > 5.0 and 3.8; 7.41" for 4-cyl ford t5s. > > and 7.18" for amc. btw both 7.18 and 7.19 look to me like rounded > decimalizations for 7 3/16. > > ford svt sells a t5 rated at 330 ft-lbs for $1000 or $1100, last i > heard, and they have a 7.19" input. bw must have an aftermarket t5 > with similar specs except for a more reasonable 0.8 5th [the svt's is > 0.63, which would be great for a -6th-]. > > there's an argument for going with a 3rd party vendor though. most > early cars want a shifter location more forward than the stock > mustang's. the common trick is to use a chevy s-10 tailshaft housing, > which has about the most forward location of any t5. a 3rd party > could do this for you at little extra charge. > > you'll also want a gm or [i think] 4 cyl ford bearing retainer. the > v8 fords have a 4.85" retainer diameter, but amc, gm, and i'm pretty > sure 4-cyl fords have a 4.64" size. > > clutch disk and pilot bushing can come straignt from a t150 [late > '70s] 3sp. output yoke too iirc, maybe even tranny mount. > > the other thing that makes sense to me is the 5speeds.com cluster > stabilizer, a shimmable billet replacement for the stock sheetmetal > cluster bearing retainer. if you're doing the tranny yourself, it > would be easy to install the billet stabilizer and the 0.8 5th while > swapping the s-10 tailshaft housing. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Andrew Hay the genius nature > internet rambler is to see what all have seen > adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > AMC-List mailing list > AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx > http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list > > > End of AMC-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 37 > *************************************** > _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or go to http://www.amc-list.com