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Nick: still looking for parts for my 79 concord electric wagon, remember, it 
only has 491 miles on it,
Garry
71 401
79 AMX
84 Scrambler
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>   1. Re: What type of AT does a Gladiator have? (Sandwich Maker)
>   2. Re: 71 AMX 401, 4spd for sale
>      (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
>   3. Re: What type of AT does a Gladiator have? -- I want one! (or
>      Comanche) (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
>   4. Re: What type of AT does a Gladiator have? (John Elle)
>   5. Pomona swap meet, or any swap meet (KENT ANDERSON)
>   6. 69 camaros and Javs (Nick ALFANO)
>   7. Identify 343 V-8 flexplate and balancer?
>      (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
>   8. Need Gremlin door tag info (Nick ALFANO)
>   9. t-5 transmission for 304 (d stohler)
>  10. Re: t-5 transmission for 304 (Mark Price)
>  11. Re: Pomona swap meet, or any swap meet (Mark Price)
>  12. Re: Pomona swap meet, or any swap meet (Mark Price)
>  13. Re: RHD conversion (Tom Jennings)
>  14. Pomona swap meet, et al (russ hathaway)
>  15. Re: t-5 transmission for 304 (Sandwich Maker)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:12:38 -0400 (EDT)
> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] What type of AT does a Gladiator have?
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <200610131212.k9DCCck19580@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> " From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " BorgWarner M series?
>
> yes, before '65.  this jeep has a 327.
>
> " Quoting Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> "
> " > " From: Justin Shelton <hydeparker@xxxxxxxxx>
> " > "
> " > "
> " > " I just posted about the Jeep Gladiator in a junk yard in SB.
> " > "
> " > " Does anyone know what AT was used in them?  I know nothing about
> " > " Jeeps.  This just got me to wondering.
> " >
> " > th400, buick 'nailhead' [pre-'66 425 et al] case with adapter ring.
> " > 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:22:13 -0500
> From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 71 AMX 401, 4spd for sale
> To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
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> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 71 AMX 401, 4spd for sale
>
> Folks,
>
> Why does one consider this car rare?????
>
> Peter
> --------------
>
> It's all relative! Us AMC guys see them "all the time" because we look
> for them and know where all the local ones are. But there were much
> fewer Javelins (period) made than the other pony cars, and the general
> automotive public (even pony collectors) doesn't pay much attention to
> anything that isn't popular. Even for Javelins a 401 4 speed combo isn't
> common though. Fewer than 25% (I'm being conservative, probably 20% or
> less) had four speeds. An auto was/is best for most drag racing.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:01:21 -0500
> From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] What type of AT does a Gladiator have? -- I
> want one! (or Comanche)
> To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
> <092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D01987574@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> The 230 OHC used a Borg-Warner M-8 (AS-8F) auto according to the IFSJA
> site.
> (http://www.ifsja.org/tech/figures/db.html)
> That's a cast iron trans, predecessor to M-10/11/12. AMC used the M-8 in
> the early 60s behind the 327. I think it has a vacuum modulator, not
> positive.
> Jeep 327s used the "universal" (nailhead) pattern TH-400 and adapter. As
> Mark says, I've never seen one, but I'm sure there were a few 232s with
> the TH-400 running around at one time. Most of those old J-trucks got
> used/abused and thrown away -- 20 years later! I've been looking for
> one, and just let one slip away!! The one I looked at about a week and a
> half ago is gone. Took me that long to decide I really would like to
> have one!
>
> Anyone know of a J-10 or older six cylinder stick shift J-truck that
> hasn't been re-axled and lifted (lift I can undo, but I want the high
> geared axles, no 4.10s, prefer the 80s 2.73s -- it has a low range in
> the t/case if needed!) within a couple hours or so of Dover? I've found
> a couple, but all are 360 auto, except for one J-20 in PA that was
> converted to a 258 four speed -- w/4.10 gears. Not something I want to
> drive on the highway! At this point I'll consider an auto six cylinder
> or 304 powered truck. I'll even consider a 360 stick shift/327 stick or
> auto.
>
> I'm looking for a runner, ready to drive with minor work, but doesn't
> have to look good at all (just not beat/rusted to near death!). Ideally
> it would be around $1000, but I'll look at higher priced trucks. I'll
> consider a Comanche also -- six cylinder four or five speed, 2 or 4 WD.
> The only thing I found nearby is an 86 w/2.8L. I'm thinking about it,
> but really don't want to mess with the little V-6. Would get an EFI
> conversion or 3.1/3.4 conversion if I had it, but that's more than I
> want to mess with. Would rather put the extra Renix EFI system I have on
> a 258!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:54:53 -0700
> From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] What type of AT does a Gladiator have?
> To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <000001c6eecf$2c8eb9f0$f9dd0d82@john1>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Howabout-------
>
> -a Borg-Warner AS-8F, available from 1962 to 1965 behind the Tornado
> 230.
>
>
>
>
>
> I remember seeing one of these engines stuffed into a Simca Roadster
> inside
>
> the radiator repair shop in behind Bobby Hines's house in Holcomb N.Y.
> some
>
> time in the middle 60's. I wonder what ever happened to it?
>
> Those were the days when you could do things like this with out running
> afoul
>
> of some ill-conceived and implemented smog law.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:07:34 -0400
> From: "KENT ANDERSON" <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] Pomona swap meet, or any swap meet
> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <002e01c6eed0$f1fb62f0$6400a8c0@SONY>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Russ....
>
> If you want, I'll make you a T-shirt that has that front and back.  No 
> more sign!  Ten Bucks, and it's on its way to you.
>
> Kenny
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 07:48:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] 69 camaros and Javs
> To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <20061013144808.64041.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
> Russ,
>
> Not only can you buy the body, you can buy the entire
> car front to back including the uni-body right out of
> a catalog today.  Chip Foose built one of these last
> year for the BJ auction.  I think the Uni-body and tub
> up to the firewall starts around $13000.00 for a coupe
> or convertible.  Open up a Year One catalog or any one
> of the other Chevy suppliers and buy the fenders,
> doors, interior, engine, trans and so on and you know
> have a brand new Camaro.  Getting it titled is another
> issue though.  Some states are much more lenient in
> doing this.  Others, you have to have a VIN from a car
> and then show it as a re-bodied car.
>
> Wouldn't it be nice just to buy all the factory body
> panels for our cars instead of having to put together
> 5 patch panels just to fix a quarter and then you only
> have a patched panel that needs a fair amount of body
> work to straighten and smooth.
>
> As for rarity, the 71 401 4spd Javelin and AMXs are
> both pretty rare when it comes to the muscle car
> market.  Look at what some of the other car makes are
> bringing for cars with production numbers like these.
> In addition, the 71 had features/options that were 71
> only like the console that goes under the dash,
> different instrument switches, 10.2:1 compression (for
> the early 401s), three different rear window options,
> leather interior (not sure if you could get that in 72
> or not), Machine wheels, rim blow, etc.
>
> As a hobby, we need to stop selling our cars short.
> They are worth a lot more than what we have been
> getting for them.  AMC is still a great buy when you
> consider the market.  Look at the SS AMX for example.
> They made a heck of a lot more Hemi Cudas yet a Cuda
> will bring 3-4 times as much money.  Daytona or
> Superbird, again more than the SS AMX yet one of those
> I have seen bring over $1,000,000.00.  Heck there are
> probably still more in existence today then 52 SS they
> made.  How about the LS6 Chevelle that brought over
> 1mil.  Restore you car to the best of your means.
> Take care of it and don't let it waste away.  Some day
> that car might make a difference in your life.  I
> applaud anyone who gets more than the last AMC of it's
> kind.  We can't continue to get more products for them
> without those willing to pay up for a car.
>
> Nick Alfano
> Alfano Performance
> Kenosha, WI. 53142
> 262-308-1302
> 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:49:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] 69 Camaros and Javs
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID:
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>
> I would say there were more 69 Camaros made than the
> entire Jav line from 68 to 74. I am not sure of the
> production run in 69, but you can even buy a brand new
> 69 Camaro body today.....Russ
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:53:45 -0500
> From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] Identify 343 V-8 flexplate and balancer?
> To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
> <092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D019875C1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Can anyone tell me if there is a part number on a 343 flexplate, or how
> to definitely identify a 343 vs. 360 flexplate? Also the balancer? A
> fellow in CHILE is having problems with "engine vibration at mid rpm".
> He's not certain the flexplate is original, or the balancer. I'm not
> knowledgeable enough with the V-8s to tell for certain what each should
> have or how to definitely identify them. The engine is in a 69 Javelin,
> which is rare in Chile. VIN indicates the engine is correct, but I'm
> unsure of the trans. I do know it should be a B-W M-1x.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:04:12 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] Need Gremlin door tag info
> To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <20061013150412.61370.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Anyone have the door code information handy for a 74
> Gremlin X, trans am red with the Levis edition?  If
> so, please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Alfano
> Alfano Performance
> Kenosha, WI. 53142
> 262-308-1302
> 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
>
> Alfano Performance
> Kenosha, WI. 53142
> 262-308-1302
> 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:14:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] t-5 transmission for 304
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <20061013151445.28297.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> i got a bellhousing to mount a t-5 to an amc 304. it was out of a 80's cj 
> with a 6 cyl i was told. i got the fork and throwout bearing also. anyway, 
> i am not sure of the input shaft length. found a company that sells t-5 
> rated at 300 lbs with an input shaft length of 7.19" and 7.87" there are 
> others that are rated at less lbs to handle with other lengths. shortest 
> is 7.16 and rated at only 230 lbs. anyone know what whould be the right 
> input shaft length to work with that bellhousing? i would rather use one 
> of the 300 lb rated trannys as i plan to have a healthy 304. thanks for 
> all the help.
>
>  i will be home in the states from iraq for good for thanksgiving. :-D. 
> so im hoping to have a good winter project. anyway, thanks for all the 
> help.
>
>  dave stohler
>  camp taji iraq
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 8:29:21 -0700
> From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] t-5 transmission for 304
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
> <13503566.1160753361562.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I don't recognize those lengths.
> Mustang input length is commonly referred to as 9 1/4".
> That's what you are looking for a 83-92 Ford Mustang length input.
>
> --
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
> ---- d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> i got a bellhousing to mount a t-5 to an amc 304. it was out of a 80's cj 
>> with a 6 cyl i was told. i got the fork and throwout bearing also. 
>> anyway, i am not sure of the input shaft length. found a company that 
>> sells t-5 rated at 300 lbs with an input shaft length of 7.19" and 7.87" 
>> there are others that are rated at less lbs to handle with other lengths. 
>> shortest is 7.16 and rated at only 230 lbs. anyone know what whould be 
>> the right input shaft length to work with that bellhousing? i would 
>> rather use one of the 300 lb rated trannys as i plan to have a healthy 
>> 304. thanks for all the help.
>>
>>   i will be home in the states from iraq for good for thanksgiving. :-D. 
>> so im hoping to have a good winter project. anyway, thanks for all the 
>> help.
>>
>>   dave stohler
>>   camp taji iraq
>>
>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 8:35:09 -0700
> From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Pomona swap meet, or any swap meet
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: KENT ANDERSON <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Now that's an awesome Idea!
> Though probably not as noticeable as the sign flapping around on your 
> arse!
> --
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
> ---- KENT ANDERSON <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Russ....
>>
>> If you want, I'll make you a T-shirt that has that front and back.  No 
>> more sign!  Ten Bucks, and it's on its way to you.
>>
>> Kenny
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 8:36:43 -0700
> From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Pomona swap meet, or any swap meet
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: KENT ANDERSON <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
> <31781302.1160753803313.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I need one that says,
> "Rambler spoken here and my wife doesn't understand"!!!! :]
> --
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
> ---- KENT ANDERSON <65marlin327@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Russ....
>>
>> If you want, I'll make you a T-shirt that has that front and back.  No 
>> more sign!  Ten Bucks, and it's on its way to you.
>>
>> Kenny
>> _______________________________________________
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>> or go to http://www.amc-list.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 09:32:53 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] RHD conversion
> To: AMC-List <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610130931390.7205@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006, farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
>> The subject of RHD conversions came up a few days ago, and I mentioned a 
>> chain drive Jeep conversion. Want to see one? Go to E-bay and search for 
>> item # 110042028809.
>
> OK, now that's a whacked project if I ever did seed one. Let's
> hope that belt doesn't jump the pulley.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 10:39:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] Pomona swap meet, et al
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <20061013173944.15653.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Tom, be careful about wearing a sign on a windy day, a
> good breeze will swing that sign up to yer face. I tie
> a waist band on windy days. With the sign, my back
> pack and a gallon of water I am dressed for battle.....Russ
>
> __________________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:13:13 -0400 (EDT)
> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] t-5 transmission for 304
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <200610131813.k9DIDDM21852@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> " From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> "
> " ---- d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> " > i got a bellhousing to mount a t-5 to an amc 304. it was out of a
> " > 80's cj with a 6 cyl i was told. i got the fork and throwout bearing
> " > also. anyway, i am not sure of the input shaft length. found a
> " > company that sells t-5 rated at 300 lbs with an input shaft length
> " > of 7.19" and 7.87" there are others that are rated at less lbs to
> " > handle with other lengths. shortest is 7.16 and rated at only 230
> " > lbs. anyone know what whould be the right input shaft length to work
> " > with that bellhousing? i would rather use one of the 300 lb rated
> " > trannys as i plan to have a healthy 304. thanks for all the help.
> " >
> " >   i will be home in the states from iraq for good for thanksgiving.
> " > :-D.  so im hoping to have a good winter project. anyway, thanks for
> " > all the help.
> " >
> " >
> "
> " I don't recognize those lengths.
> " Mustang input length is commonly referred to as 9 1/4".
> " That's what you are looking for a 83-92 Ford Mustang length input.
>
> i've seen those numbers; 7.19" for '83-'93 5.0 t5s, 7.87" for '93-4
> 5.0 and 3.8; 7.41" for 4-cyl ford t5s.
>
> and 7.18" for amc.  btw both 7.18 and 7.19 look to me like rounded
> decimalizations for 7 3/16.
>
> ford svt sells a t5 rated at 330 ft-lbs for $1000 or $1100, last i
> heard, and they have a 7.19" input.  bw must have an aftermarket t5
> with similar specs except for a more reasonable 0.8 5th [the svt's is
> 0.63, which would be great for a -6th-].
>
> there's an argument for going with a 3rd party vendor though.  most
> early cars want a shifter location more forward than the stock
> mustang's.  the common trick is to use a chevy s-10 tailshaft housing,
> which has about the most forward location of any t5.  a 3rd party
> could do this for you at little extra charge.
>
> you'll also want a gm or [i think] 4 cyl ford bearing retainer.  the
> v8 fords have a 4.85" retainer diameter, but amc, gm, and i'm pretty
> sure 4-cyl fords have a 4.64" size.
>
> clutch disk and pilot bushing can come straignt from a t150 [late
> '70s] 3sp.  output yoke too iirc, maybe even tranny mount.
>
> the other thing that makes sense to me is the 5speeds.com cluster
> stabilizer, a shimmable billet replacement for the stock sheetmetal
> cluster bearing retainer.  if you're doing the tranny yourself, it
> would be easy to install the billet stabilizer and the 0.8 5th while
> swapping the s-10 tailshaft housing.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay                                  the genius nature
> internet rambler                            is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx                       and think what none thought
>
>
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