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Today's Topics:
1. Oil needed? (Mahoney, John)
2. 1980 AMX impounded in california...anybody own it?? (John W Rosa)
3. Re: Intake manifolds (Armand Eshleman)
4. Re: not eh amc macarena (Eddie Stakes)
5. Re: AMC-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 19 (Kalika)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:00:56 -0400
From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Oil needed?
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Finally, to those who squeaked or didn't: I'm not running for office, for popularity, or for the exit presently, but I am campaigning for the -future- of AMC.
We don't see Packards on the street, nor would we: the -newest- Packards are half-a-century old. "We" see AMCs on the street, as should we*: the newest -AMCs- aren't half that now. The oldest AMCs are, in truth, only two years older than the youngest [real] Packards. So what? Packard is successful as a collector car now, Packard was successful as a collector car at the current age-after-death of AMC, and Packard enjoys museum and research facilities AMC doesn't --- and still doesn't see that it needs.
It's not a matter of money; it's not a matter of class; it's not even a matter of desire: it's merely a matter of motivation and accomplishment.
It's not a matter of intelligence; it's not a matter of luck: it's only a matter of seeing realities, of setting goals and then achieving them.
*I don't see -any- AMCs on the street now, nor should I expect to: I saw so few AMCs in the eastern suburbs when they were new that when I was in Henrietta, Chili, Gates, Greece, Buffalo, etc. then, it was a real treat to see AMCs. It was "counter-cultural" to buy any new AMC [four times!] between 1971 and 1983: it was a strong -statement- of cheese, uh, er, of choice, that makes AMC mice into AMC men --- unless they are caught in a trap of "Don't change MY concept of AMC!" style car buying, keeping, and eventually, "collecting" (which is "pack-ratting" under the posh name.)
>>
1970 Machine RWB now but was original Golden lime metalic. Automatic. 1969 engine. Comes with correct intake, exhaust manifolds, heads, rebuilt carburator and more. Tach works. New or rebult engine, transmission, brakes, rear end, tires, bumpers, radiator, exhaust, seats and more. Needs restoration but driven daily in summer. $25,000.00
<<
Un-original paint and engine? AT? "Needs restoration"? Only $25k CDN?
After another $25k goes into it, how can it still be a "jes'-folks" AMC?
>>
1969 SC Hurst Rambler.Rust free California car just painted A scheme complete car needs total assembly and headliner motor is a built 401. $25,000
<<
Did AMC put 401s in SC/Ramblers? Is "total assembly" easy and/or free?
Is "affordability" a gremlin or an excuse for not -developing- old AMC?
History loves the '75 Rabbit and '82 Mustang GT. Gremlin? Spirit AMX?
Why so differently remembered?
Development and improvement?
Success and survival?
>>
For their limited amount of time in production,
I don't believe they faired well in surviving -
Opinions ?
<<
Is AMC really interested in opinions?
>>
> We don't have many Spirit owners on The List
> do we ?
The infamous John Elle has a nice one!
<<
And a Spirit --- 19k-mile '79 original --- another infamous J stores on ice near where Elle drove is Limburger...
>>
Prices for cars will go up as they become more desireable/acceptable to own and restore. You'll start hearing fewer "what do you want to restore THAT for?" queries as the general public begins to appreciate the cars more. It's happening now because the collector car hobby has stratified the most popular cars out of reach of blue collar "collectors".
<<
210 four-door [post] sedans (not Bel Air Sport [pillar-less] Sedans) are becoming appreciated as BT hardtops and convertibles are -appreciating- past affordability (itself a slippery subject in America: sports, SUVs, and big-screen TVs are very affordable but saving for retirement and/or education is much beyond affordability): why is similar appreciation so bad for AMC? Is "AMC4EVR" or "LST4EVR" the better license plate to see?
How many Model Ts, As, and later pre-war Fords do we see on the street? Easy to wrench on, plenty plentiful, and, good grief, -cheap-: everyman cars, indeed. When we do see such Fords at a show or cruise, what sort of money --- whether they're rodded or restored --- has the blue-collar owner spent to drive them to such car scenes: $500, $5,000, $25,000, or $50,000?
Smart blue-collar car media lock step on what is now "affordable" (like the GMs, Fords, and Mopars Frank mentioned); do they include comparable Rambler/AMC choices for the common man? Do they shine their lights on as many Nashs as on Studebakers? Aren't they both un-cool? Why on old Willys? Aren't W-Os as un-alive as Packards and even deader than AMCs?
Why? It's the people of course: the buyers who make markets for things. Was Scott McNealy's quotation too sharp a cheese for AMC meece? AMC Machines and SC/Ramblers will be seen if they're worth $25,000, $250,000, or $2,5000,000; what will the fate of the rest of the "real" AMC be?
If it's not the age, the taste, or the quality (AMC mice missed the '72 Buick vs. '71 Ambo wagon wheel of cheese also: the only reason the 125" wagon is now appreciated three times as much as the 122" wagon is that it's packaged in a wrapper that says, "Still the same old second-class AMC") of the cars that determines their value, the people who own them may be accountable. AMC the company was responsible for decisions that resulted in its downfall; AMC the hobby is responsible for holding onto whatever remains of that legacy.
So, how you doin'? You got an Eagle, a Classic, maybe some "hot" AMCs.
You're doin' fine. Havin' fun while keepin' busy. Then what happens?
You become old and you are dead. Like AMC and Studebaker and Packard.
Will your cars live on in a museum? Will your papers be in a library?
Will AMC --- in 30+ years --- be as well remembered as Packard is now?
It's not a matter of money; it's not a matter of class; it's not even a matter of desire: it's simply a matter of motivation and accomplishment.
And it's not my opinion. Read.
"I feel that the automobile industry, like practically every other large industry, will ultimately gravitate to a few large organizations [and] I look upon the present as a testing-time which will lead to the passing of the weak and the survival of the fittest."
Charles W. Nash said that late in 1925 --- 81 years ago. He was right.
http://info.detnews.com/dn/history/pioneer/images/cwnash.gif
>From 1916 to 1925, Nash had sold almost $420 million worth of vehicles, he had earned almost $57 million profit, and his stock was "worth" more than any other automaker on the NYSE. Charlie Nash did not think small. He did not say: "Now I'm satisfied to do nothing more." No, not at all.
Nash said: "There is only one sure recipe for success in any field of endeavor: determination, close application to details, plus hard work and then more hard work."
Nash said: "Years of experience have taught me that there are three highly important factors entering into the success of any large manufacturing organization, and these factors are machinery, methods, and men. And the last is, perhaps, the most important of all."
Nash said: "It is obvious that no organization can become of higher caliber than the men who comprise it and direct its various activities."
Men or mice?
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:09:08 -0400
From: "John W Rosa" <JohnRosa@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1980 AMX impounded in california...anybody own
it??
To: "AMC List" <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: BaadAssGremlins <BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I just got an Email from a towing company that impounded a VERY nice
1980 AMX.
The owner has not contacted them after some time, and they are very
surprised, as
it is in very nice condition?the seats are mint, the body is straight
and shiny, runs
great?.258/4speed. All four Turbocast II wheels with caps. Looks sharp.
Just figured someone might know who owned it so they can go claim it
before it?s
sold off. The company is requesting a salvage title to resell it, so
time is short!
If anybody thinks they know who?s car it is, have them contact me ASAP.
John W Rosa
HYPERLINK "http://www.javelinamx.com/"www.JavelinAMX.com
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:13:49 -0500
From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Intake manifolds
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Nick,
Thanks for the information about how to install the gasket and where to use
sealant.
Next interesting idea.........
Does Chrysler still sell the metal pan that rivets to the inside bottom of
the intake??? Or is there a supplier??
Was this used in all the 360s that went into jeeps right up to the last year
of production for the venerable AMC V-8 ??
Thanks again all, and especially Nick.
Armand
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 19:24:01 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] not eh amc macarena
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John mentioned:
A "Pacer" did not take Paris by storm,
http://tinyurl.com/gs5gu
Here is a original French ad with a Pacer off my site:
http://www.planethoustonamx.com/Photo_Gallery_Nascar/amc%20ads/rwb_pacer.jpg
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
Email is currently HEAVY
5-12 day reply times, call if important
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:29:24 -1000
From: "Kalika" <kalika@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 9, Issue 19
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> 1. 1974 Javelin AMX sold for $37,400 (Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
> 2. 'Hydro-Stick' Turbo Gremlin ?? (Brien Tourville)
> 3. production numbers (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
> 4. Intake Manifold (Nick ALFANO)
> 5. Re: AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
> 6. 1971 Turbo Gremlin (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
> 7. 1974 Javelin AMX sold for $37,400
> (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
> 8. Re: 1971 Turbo Gremlin (Sandwich Maker)
> 9. Re: AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine (Sandwich Maker)
> 10. AMC Sighting (JOE FULTON)
> 11. Re: AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine (Mark Price)
> 12. Re: AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine (Sandwich Maker)
> 13. Not the AM Macaren (Mahoney, John)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 07:16:59 -0500
> From: Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [AMC-List] 1974 Javelin AMX sold for $37,400
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> In Hemmings Muscles Machines auction section, it tells the story of a 1974
> Javelin AMX, 401 4-speed, that recently sold for $37,400 at Russo and
> Steele's Monterey auction. I hope no one on the list actually paid that,
> but what I find interesting is that the article says that Russo and Steele
> portrayed that of the 4,9XX Javelin AMX's produced in 1974, less that 25
> of
> them were delivered with the 401, 4-speed combination.
>
> Would someone please verify that this is false? Anyone know how many were
> actually produced with the 401 4-speed?
>
> I am thinking they abbreviated the description for the article, and that
> maybe less than 25 were produced with the drive train, color, options,
> etc,
> that I might believe.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:34:12 -0400
> From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] 'Hydro-Stick' Turbo Gremlin ??
> To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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>
>
>
> From: "Clarence Milstead" <cmilstead@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] 1971 Turbo Gremlin
>
>
> I have a couple of questions that I need help/advice on. I see people
> talking about a "nailhead" hydramatic transmission for earlier model
> cars,
> will this transmission fit my 1971 bell housing and if it will where
> is
> the best place to get one? I'd like one with OD if possible. Since I
> installed the 3.55 gears I'm getting some spring wrap-up on a fast
> start.
> Will just adding another leaf to the springs solve the problem?
> Thanks.
>
> Clarence Milstead
>
> 1971 Turbo Gremlin
> 1991 Chevy Caprice
> 1996 Ford Custom Van
>
>
>
> === ===
>
>
> someone here can advise on
> setting up the rear with Links -
>
> The old 'Hydro-Stick' trannies were
> hugely popular with Custom builders -
> saw "heard" one leaving the gate
> @ the Toll Booth on the Mid Hudson Bridge -
> they are damn cool !
>
>
>
> =Bt=
> milnersXcoupe
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:37:17 -0500
> From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] production numbers
> To: <superglider@xxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Date: Thursday, October 5, 2006 10:19 AM
> From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
>
> Reading the current issue of AIM got me to thinking about production
> numbers. The Javelins sold in Aussie land were stamped at Kenosha and
> shipped as a "kit" to Australia. Do they count as Kenosha numbers or do
> they have a foreign build plate? Likewise, do the cars produced in
> foreign countries (VAM et al) count as part of a total production run?
> VAM produced a Gremlin based car (forgot what they called it) and are
> they reflected in the production numbers for AMC? I doubt it. I had
> always assumed that the AMC production numbers for Kenosha and Brampton
> reflected total production but might there be a lot more AMC or AMC
> derived products out there than what we think?
> ----------------------
>
> The "knocked-down" kits were produced at Kenosha. The body numbers count
> against whichever body plant they came from -- Kenosha or Milwaukee. The
> kits DO NOT have a final assembly number (the unlabeled number at the
> bottom of the door tag), so don't count as Kenosha production. The
> production sheets count them separately, and they have separate serial
> numbers prior to 66. I'm not positive how the serial/VIN was handled
> after 1966. I haven't paid any attention to late 66 or later Aussie cars
> -- maybe someone over there can send us the VIN from a 67-71 AMI car?
> The K-D kits have the same plates from the factory as US made cars.
> There is no trim number for cars sent without upholstery (all or at
> least most of the AMI and South African assembled cars -- in fact, I
> know of no K-D cars that were sent with upholstery, though some of the
> early ones likely were).
>
> The VAM cars were totally built in Mexico, though some of the early ones
> may have been K-D cars from Kenosha. Bodies and all were built in the
> Mexicao City plant, so they don't count in US production at all. Neither
> do the Argentine cars. Those may have different ID plates in different
> locations as well. I think the VAM cars correspond to US specs as far as
> the door tags, the IKA cars have a different plate -- not sure of
> location off the top of my head, but I've seen the plate. Can't remember
> tag configuration right now, but it's similar to the Renault assembled
> cars. Renault was a partner with IKA later, that's the only plate I've
> seen (no pre-Renault ones). Speaking of Renault, the cars assembled by
> Renault in Belgium were K-D cars IIRC.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 06:46:22 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] Intake Manifold
> To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
> Joe,
>
> Yes, you can use the valley pan with an internal oil
> line. I usually mark the location of the fitting
> between cylinders 6 and 8. Then take a hole saw or a
> hole punch and cut out a 1" hole in the gasket in that
> location. Now you put the gasket in place with the
> front section under the fitting in the junction block,
> then screw the back fitting into the block through
> that hole. You can also cut a V out of the pan to
> clear the line but I like the hole method better. It
> is much cleaner. Also, there should be no reason the
> tin PCV baffle that attaches to the under side of the
> intake to interfere with the oil line. Why is yours
> hitting this line? I have installed these many times
> on engines with the internal line with no problem.
>
> Nick Alfano
> Alfano Performance
> Kenosha, WI. 53142
> 262-308-1302
> 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
>
> ---- Joe <jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Simple question..added to this. MY wife's new 401
> was
>> assembled(not by me) with am aluminum Offy intake
> and
>> Mr Gasket/Felpro... paper type intake gaskets. There
>> is NO metal pan on the bottom of the manifold either
> .
>> PCV hole is wide open to the lifter valley. NOW..the
>> engine had the lifter valley line kit installed. Is
>> there a way to slot...etc..the tin valley pan gasket
>> so i can install it? The engine is NOT in the car
> yet.
>> I've heard it will suck oil like mad without the
>> valley pan gasket. Will the tin pan thats supposed
> to
>> be riveted to the intake being missing be a issue
>> also? Supposedly NO room for it with the lefter
> valley
>> line kit? Direct email would also be greatly
>> appreciated!! Thankyou,Joe
>
>
> Alfano Performance
> Kenosha, WI. 53142
> 262-308-1302
> 262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:44:09 -0500
> From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine
> To: <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
> <092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D01946076@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Date: Thursday, October 5, 2006 12:03 PM
> From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Now this would be interesting to research!
> I have the Nailhead adapter setup for a 327. If it would turn out
> Rangerover
> went to any of the overdrive trans in a nailhead pattern! I could then
> maybe
> adapt a overdrive to a Gen I engine! Cool!
> NAW! Can't be that easy!
> ------------------
>
> Hmmm... the Rover V-8 is the old Buick 215 aluminum V-8. I don't know
> what pattern it used, the B-O-P or SBC. It could have the nailhead
> pattern, but I doubt it. I've never seen one of those out of a vehicle
> though. You might ask on some Range Rover boards what pattern is still
> used, and what transmissions. Might be Borg-Warner model 65 s or
> Aisin-Warner derivatives. Could even be an HD version of the AW-4 as
> used behind the Lexus V-8 (in fact that's very likely!).
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:06:00 -0500
> From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] 1971 Turbo Gremlin
> To: <cmilstead@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
> <092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D019460A8@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> The "nailhead" or universal TH-400 pattern won't fit your car. It's an
> old Buick pattern that has a shallow bell housing. GM sold it as a
> "universal" trans because the shallower bell made it easy to use an
> adapter.
>
> No one makes an adapter for the pre 72 AMC six to any other
> transmission. If you need a stronger trans, the only thing you can do is
> install a Borg Warner model 11 or 12, or even a model 40 if you have the
> air cooled 37 now (probably have a 40 though). The 37 and 40 are nearly
> the same, except that the 37 is air cooled and the 40 is liquid cooled.
> IIRC the 37 has provisions for an external cooler though. You can run a
> cooler and that will help a lot.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:17:07 -0500
> From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] 1974 Javelin AMX sold for $37,400
> To: <Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
> <092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3D019460BE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Date: Friday, October 6, 2006 07:16 AM
> From: Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> In Hemmings Muscles Machines auction section, it tells the story of a
> 1974
> Javelin AMX, 401 4-speed, that recently sold for $37,400 at Russo and
> Steele's Monterey auction. I hope no one on the list actually paid
> that,
> but what I find interesting is that the article says that Russo and
> Steele
> portrayed that of the 4,9XX Javelin AMX's produced in 1974, less that 25
> of
> them were delivered with the 401, 4-speed combination.
>
> Would someone please verify that this is false? Anyone know how many
> were
> actually produced with the 401 4-speed?
>
> I am thinking they abbreviated the description for the article, and that
> maybe less than 25 were produced with the drive train, color, options,
> etc,
> that I might believe.
> -----------------------
>
> Under 25% 401 four speeds is most likely a fact. Only real driving
> enthusiasts want sticks, and there aren't that many in the US, and there
> weren't in the 70s. Drag racers prefer autos due to consistency and less
> drivetrain impact. Since the mid 60s most cars produced in the US have
> had automatic transmissions. In the early 60s most had three speed
> manuals, with autos optional. Four speeds were always in the minority in
> US produced cars, though sticks did make a bit of a come-back in small
> to mid sized cars in the late 80s and the 90s. All full size cars are
> autos, and most mid sized even now. Well over half of small cars are
> automatics as well, probably no more than 25% are sticks.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:54:15 -0400 (EDT)
> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1971 Turbo Gremlin
> To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <200610061454.k96EsFE03651@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> " From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " The "nailhead" or universal TH-400 pattern won't fit your car. It's an
> " old Buick pattern that has a shallow bell housing. GM sold it as a
> " "universal" trans because the shallower bell made it easy to use an
> " adapter.
> "
> " No one makes an adapter for the pre 72 AMC six to any other
> " transmission.
>
> jeep did, though i have no idea how many were made; they advertised
> the th400 as available with the 232 from '65 on.
>
> " If you need a stronger trans, the only thing you can do is
> " install a Borg Warner model 11 or 12,
>
> this you're likelier to find. they were used with the 196 before the
> aluminum warner, and in at least one of the early/mid '70s postal jeep
> batches.
>
> " or even a model 40 if you have the
> " air cooled 37 now (probably have a 40 though). The 37 and 40 are nearly
> " the same, except that the 37 is air cooled and the 40 is liquid cooled.
> " IIRC the 37 has provisions for an external cooler though. You can run a
> " cooler and that will help a lot.
>
> these can be beefed quite a lot. i have some notes from australia
> where it was virtually the only auto available for some cars even with
> small v8s, and they call for some bw51 and bw65 parts... the only part
> that should be hard to get here is a valve body for the aussie falcon,
> though perhaps either jag or bmw - both of which used aluminum warners
> up through the '80s - used something comparable.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:03:45 -0400 (EDT)
> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine
> To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <200610061503.k96F3jb03695@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> " From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> "
> " I have the Nailhead adapter setup for a 327. If it would turn out
> Rangerover
> " went to any of the overdrive trans in a nailhead pattern! I could then
> maybe
> " adapt a overdrive to a Gen I engine! Cool!
> " ------------------
> "
> " Hmmm... the Rover V-8 is the old Buick 215 aluminum V-8. I don't know
> " what pattern it used, the B-O-P or SBC.
>
> neither; like the nailhead, it predates the wide use of the b-o-p.
> bellhousings with the gm std tranny pattern are hard to get. if it
> had the sbc or bop this wouldn't be an issue.
>
> " It could have the nailhead pattern, but I doubt it.
>
> it doesn't.
>
> " I've never seen one of those out of a vehicle
> " though. You might ask on some Range Rover boards what pattern is still
> " used, and what transmissions. Might be Borg-Warner model 65 s or
> " Aisin-Warner derivatives. Could even be an HD version of the AW-4 as
> " used behind the Lexus V-8 (in fact that's very likely!).
>
> rover used export bw35s behind the v8 in cars, down under at least.
> it wouldn't surprise me if the 4sp turns out to be an aw4; volvo uses
> it in their rwd cars. but l-r is owned by someone else now [bmw?
> ford?] and finally dropped the old buick motor a few years ago. i
> also wouldn't be surprised if the 4sp auto came along with the motor
> from their new daddy.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:52:00 -0700 (PDT)
> From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] AMC Sighting
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <20061006155200.57572.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> On my way to work this morning northbound or U.S. 101
> north of Salinas I saw an auto transport with classic
> cars on board... a yellow Matador coupe was on the
> bottom row.
>
> Anybody we know?
>
> Joe Fulton
> Salinas, CA
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 9:17:57 -0700
> From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <3024892.1160151477506.JavaMail.root@web23>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Yeah, figures an AOD to bolt up to a GenI would be too easy!
> Standard trans is not any easier as the bells are too deep for most if not
> all non AMC trans. Pretty much leaves a hang-on OD as the only choice.
> I know nailhead standard trans bells are out there and could be bolted to
> the Adapter ring, but I doubt it would solve the depth issue.
> HHHMMMMM!
> --
> Mark Price
> markprice242ATadelphia.net
> Morgantown, WV
>
>
> ---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> " From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
>> <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> "
>> " From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> "
>> " I have the Nailhead adapter setup for a 327. If it would turn out
>> Rangerover
>> " went to any of the overdrive trans in a nailhead pattern! I could then
>> maybe
>> " adapt a overdrive to a Gen I engine! Cool!
>> " ------------------
>> "
>> " Hmmm... the Rover V-8 is the old Buick 215 aluminum V-8. I don't know
>> " what pattern it used, the B-O-P or SBC.
>>
>> neither; like the nailhead, it predates the wide use of the b-o-p.
>> bellhousings with the gm std tranny pattern are hard to get. if it
>> had the sbc or bop this wouldn't be an issue.
>>
>> " It could have the nailhead pattern, but I doubt it.
>>
>> it doesn't.
>>
>> " I've never seen one of those out of a vehicle
>> " though. You might ask on some Range Rover boards what pattern is still
>> " used, and what transmissions. Might be Borg-Warner model 65 s or
>> " Aisin-Warner derivatives. Could even be an HD version of the AW-4 as
>> " used behind the Lexus V-8 (in fact that's very likely!).
>>
>> rover used export bw35s behind the v8 in cars, down under at least.
>> it wouldn't surprise me if the 4sp turns out to be an aw4; volvo uses
>> it in their rwd cars. but l-r is owned by someone else now [bmw?
>> ford?] and finally dropped the old buick motor a few years ago. i
>> also wouldn't be surprised if the 4sp auto came along with the motor
>> from their new daddy.
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> Andrew Hay the genius nature
>> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
>> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:39:54 -0400 (EDT)
> From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <200610061639.k96GdsE01656@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> " From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " Yeah, figures an AOD to bolt up to a GenI would be too easy!
> " Standard trans is not any easier as the bells are too deep for most if
> not all non AMC trans. Pretty much leaves a hang-on OD as the only choice.
> " I know nailhead standard trans bells are out there and could be bolted
> to the Adapter ring, but I doubt it would solve the depth issue.
> " HHHMMMMM!
> " --
>
> this might be exactly what you need! there are nailhead bells with
> the gm standard tranny pattern... this would open up a whole world of
> tranny options!
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:00:28 -0400
> From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] Not the AM Macaren
> To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID:
> <BFF496024CD8E8499845576906CA0F190D2FBB@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> It's two weeks since I last moved the cheese where AMC mice don't please,
> but after a Met opening (too little time for a Mets game), a Tenerife trip
> (to see what will be in Atlanta) and a train from Spain to an auto show
> before a plane, I'm "home" --- where, if it's not about Vespas and trams,
>
> http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22749-2374531,00.html
>
> it's about Charity AMXs and Javelin Trans Ams.
>
> It's time for AMC to win: it only takes plans.
>
>>>
> little if any press exposure, little if any solicitation of donations
>
> very little exposure inside the hobby.
> <<
>
>>>
> problem with this project is that the AMC community has been burned
> <<
>
>>>
> main reasons I hesitate to get Involved
>
> there should have been a detailed project plan
>
> charity(s) identified should have had some knowledge of this as well
> <<
>
> So AMC fans said. 20 years after death. AMC Goals? AMC Leadership?
>
> Sad.
>
> Lani Guinier, Lynn Sherr, Fareed Zakaria, and Drew Carey this weekend;
> Moshe Safdie on 10/11 for a final 411; not much time, but enough to make
> mice men.
>
> So I'll ask: Do you do the AM Macarena?
>
> It may be a new Marlin Matador Machine,
>
> http://tinyurl.com/h4fwr
>
> or it'll make a Mopar 300 mambo go mad.
>
> Don't ask if American Motors can dance.
>
> Listen to the music. Feel a beat now?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/l47wv
>
> A "Pacer" did not take Paris by storm,
>
> http://tinyurl.com/gs5gu
>
> but a "Gremlin" was, in a way, reborn,
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ryofs
>
> (with more doors; Toyo sees a way up!)
>
> http://tinyurl.com/l47wv
>
> and Chrysler may yet again be re-torn.
>
> "Chrysler has lost $4 billion over the past five years against a $32
> billion accumulated profit for the group. This might be time to
> reconsider whether Chrysler should remain part of the group in its current
> form. We believe seeking a partial or entire spinoff or an industrial
> alliance with another party could be a route to higher and more
> predictable earnings.
>
> (Deutsche Bank report...)
>
> Chrysler now suffers from "reliance on light trucks, scant presence in
> markets outside North America, and high labor costs" --- including $2
> billion/year spent on health care.
>
> [Which was $6,102 in 2004 (averaged for every American) --- and thus 50%
> more than the residents of the country with the next-highest health care
> bill, Switzerland ($4,077); more than double the average for all
> industrialized nations ($2,546) that provide health care for all their
> residents for less money than the US spends while we have ~46 million
> uninsured. In 1970, we paid about the same for health care as Europe did:
> our medical costs have risen faster than anywhere else. Are Americans
> healthier? No?? Why not? Physicians say America has more high-tech
> medical equipment than the other countries: Edward Langston, new chair of
> the AMA says, "There are more MRIs in Detroit than in all of Ontario" but
> Gerard Anderson, head, Center for Hospital Finance and Management School
> of Public Health at Johns Hopkins says, no: "We have about the same number
> of MRIs and CT scanners as do Canada, the UK, and France. We have the
> same number of doctors, doctor visits, hospitals and i!
> npatient days at hospitals. The difference is we pay two to 2-1/2 times
> more for virtually identical services." Pay for a Royce, deliver a
> Rambler? Bad.
>
> The average U.S. physician earned $180,000 in 2004; in Canada, only
> $100,000 (USD). One of every seven dollars spent in the US goes for
> health care --- 15.3% of 2004 GDP: in Canada it's 9.9%; in Japan, 8.0%.
> By 2015, we will pay $12,320 per person (in 2006 dollars) if nothing
> changes: America will be as viable as Nash-Hudson-AMC stores.]
>
> Dodge, like Chevrolet, must have Asia build it cheap, reliable, and
> profitable small cars now. Nitro is hot, but if 75% of today's
> Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep sales are in trucks, Hornet won't be American-made.
> Can America fall as far as Detroit?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/allanm/sets/374377/show/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/allanm/sets/1243631/show/
>
> America forgot? America stopped learning and achieving? America spends
> twice as much on education Japan does. Got results? American houses are
> twice the size they were in 1970. Why? American families have been
> shrinking in size for 50 years. The much-smaller-town home of the
> much-smaller "small car" company hasn't decayed as much as Motown: where
> Nash once was, big housing and a small new museum rose,
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rcktmanil/99148284/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rcktmanil/99148155/
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/yamadel/52341595/
>
> and while one of many (#1) buildings Nash built still serves Kenoshans,
>
> http://www.kenoshacvb.com/pdf/KenoshaLibraryPark.pdf
>
> as do the other buildings (#5, 6, 9, 25) that building Nash cars built
>
> http://www.kenoshacvb.com/pdf/KenoshaThirdAvenue.pdf
>
> which is something to remember even if you started (or think) "small."
>
> http://www.michmarkers.com/startup.asp?startpage=L1397.htm
>
> http://www.geo.msu.edu/geo333/flint-industry.html
>
> http://www.pbase.com/papajim_48306/image/55127757
> http://www.pbase.com/papajim_48306/homes_of_the_auto_pioneers
>
> (Remember also, when you're done, no one may know your name...)
>
> http://www.msu.edu/~daggy/cop/bkofdead/obits-na.htm
>
> "If he wants to stop Toyota, Ghosn is just going to figure out how to
> improve his companies' marketing, the weak spot. As for GM and Ford, they
> will have to save themselves."
>
> (Flint set that mousetrap on 10/4/06)
>
> Ford/Chevy matte black rat rod too "old" for you? I saw the new Paris
> "big bad."
>
> http://www.arbitragecars.com/gt.php
>
> Saw the new Avenger too. Magnum opus or magnum lite? It's not the new
> Concord.
>
>>>iirc the '66 dodge charger with 318 was 52/48% f/r...
>
> If the '70 Charger 318 was 54/46 (and iyrc) that says something on the
> weight added by fastback sails-and-glass rear (and, since the 1967 318
> mill was 55 lbs. lighter, would suggest that a second-year Charger was
> even closer to the current Charger's "near" 50/50 ideal):
>
> http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/dynobase.html
> http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/weight.html
>
> http://www.dodge.com/charger/control.html
>
>>>
> remember the early pontiac tempest? it, along with the new little
> buick skylark and olds f-85, were built on the corvair platform '61-3,
> but the tempest - front engine and all - also used the 'vair transaxle
> and swingarm suspension.
> <<
>
> Knudsen and Delorean did NOT desire to use Corvair's swing axle design*,
> which was why the Pontiac Polaris died: Cole refused to fix it. When a
> rope-drive Tempest got its clone of the Corvair rear suspension, it was
> over the objections of both Bunkie and John: a far cry from "their" car.
>
> (*after seeing Winchell flip one of the earliest test-track prototypes)
>
> AFA "on" A-body platform: kinda, sorta, but different. Wheelbases, too.
>
> Also don't overlook how GM's V-8-into-I-4 adventures later affected AMC.
>
> And, in a way, that was too bad. One of the reasons AMC finally failed.
>
> Half a 360 = 180. Is that too big?
>
> Half a 304 = 152. Is that "A" OK?
>
> Or for late '70s, better than 121?
>
> Or in early '80s, better than 151?
>
> http://faculty.concord.edu/chrisz/hobby/80-DataBook/B12.pdf
>
> What if AMC hadn't waited for 150?
>
> http://xjconnection.jtv.cc/engine_I4_XJ.gif
>
> What if AMC had moved -its- cheese?
>
> AMC might still be -building- AMCs!
>
> Bite on that.
>
> Once, some amateur designers were on this AMC list: now long gone?
>
> If not, from 300-6000 euros await those who can innovate. Please.
>
> http://www.peugeot-concours-design.com/
>
>
>
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