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Today's Topics:
1. 1974 Javelin AMX sold for $37,400 (Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
2. 'Hydro-Stick' Turbo Gremlin ?? (Brien Tourville)
3. production numbers (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
4. Intake Manifold (Nick ALFANO)
5. Re: AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
6. 1971 Turbo Gremlin (Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
7. 1974 Javelin AMX sold for $37,400
(Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM)
8. Re: 1971 Turbo Gremlin (Sandwich Maker)
9. Re: AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine (Sandwich Maker)
10. AMC Sighting (JOE FULTON)
11. Re: AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine (Mark Price)
12. Re: AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine (Sandwich Maker)
13. Not the AM Macaren (Mahoney, John)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 07:16:59 -0500
From: Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] 1974 Javelin AMX sold for $37,400
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In Hemmings Muscles Machines auction section, it tells the story of a 1974
Javelin AMX, 401 4-speed, that recently sold for $37,400 at Russo and
Steele's Monterey auction. I hope no one on the list actually paid that,
but what I find interesting is that the article says that Russo and Steele
portrayed that of the 4,9XX Javelin AMX's produced in 1974, less that 25 of
them were delivered with the 401, 4-speed combination.
Would someone please verify that this is false? Anyone know how many were
actually produced with the 401 4-speed?
I am thinking they abbreviated the description for the article, and that
maybe less than 25 were produced with the drive train, color, options, etc,
that I might believe.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 08:34:12 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 'Hydro-Stick' Turbo Gremlin ??
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From: "Clarence Milstead" <cmilstead@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1971 Turbo Gremlin
I have a couple of questions that I need help/advice on. I see people
talking about a "nailhead" hydramatic transmission for earlier model
cars,
will this transmission fit my 1971 bell housing and if it will where
is
the best place to get one? I'd like one with OD if possible. Since I
installed the 3.55 gears I'm getting some spring wrap-up on a fast
start.
Will just adding another leaf to the springs solve the problem?
Thanks.
Clarence Milstead
1971 Turbo Gremlin
1991 Chevy Caprice
1996 Ford Custom Van
=== ===
someone here can advise on
setting up the rear with Links -
The old 'Hydro-Stick' trannies were
hugely popular with Custom builders -
saw "heard" one leaving the gate
@ the Toll Booth on the Mid Hudson Bridge -
they are damn cool !
=Bt=
milnersXcoupe
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:37:17 -0500
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] production numbers
To: <superglider@xxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: Thursday, October 5, 2006 10:19 AM
From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
Reading the current issue of AIM got me to thinking about production
numbers. The Javelins sold in Aussie land were stamped at Kenosha and
shipped as a "kit" to Australia. Do they count as Kenosha numbers or do
they have a foreign build plate? Likewise, do the cars produced in
foreign countries (VAM et al) count as part of a total production run?
VAM produced a Gremlin based car (forgot what they called it) and are
they reflected in the production numbers for AMC? I doubt it. I had
always assumed that the AMC production numbers for Kenosha and Brampton
reflected total production but might there be a lot more AMC or AMC
derived products out there than what we think?
----------------------
The "knocked-down" kits were produced at Kenosha. The body numbers count
against whichever body plant they came from -- Kenosha or Milwaukee. The
kits DO NOT have a final assembly number (the unlabeled number at the
bottom of the door tag), so don't count as Kenosha production. The
production sheets count them separately, and they have separate serial
numbers prior to 66. I'm not positive how the serial/VIN was handled
after 1966. I haven't paid any attention to late 66 or later Aussie cars
-- maybe someone over there can send us the VIN from a 67-71 AMI car?
The K-D kits have the same plates from the factory as US made cars.
There is no trim number for cars sent without upholstery (all or at
least most of the AMI and South African assembled cars -- in fact, I
know of no K-D cars that were sent with upholstery, though some of the
early ones likely were).
The VAM cars were totally built in Mexico, though some of the early ones
may have been K-D cars from Kenosha. Bodies and all were built in the
Mexicao City plant, so they don't count in US production at all. Neither
do the Argentine cars. Those may have different ID plates in different
locations as well. I think the VAM cars correspond to US specs as far as
the door tags, the IKA cars have a different plate -- not sure of
location off the top of my head, but I've seen the plate. Can't remember
tag configuration right now, but it's similar to the Renault assembled
cars. Renault was a partner with IKA later, that's the only plate I've
seen (no pre-Renault ones). Speaking of Renault, the cars assembled by
Renault in Belgium were K-D cars IIRC.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 06:46:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Intake Manifold
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Joe,
Yes, you can use the valley pan with an internal oil
line. I usually mark the location of the fitting
between cylinders 6 and 8. Then take a hole saw or a
hole punch and cut out a 1" hole in the gasket in that
location. Now you put the gasket in place with the
front section under the fitting in the junction block,
then screw the back fitting into the block through
that hole. You can also cut a V out of the pan to
clear the line but I like the hole method better. It
is much cleaner. Also, there should be no reason the
tin PCV baffle that attaches to the under side of the
intake to interfere with the oil line. Why is yours
hitting this line? I have installed these many times
on engines with the internal line with no problem.
Nick Alfano
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
---- Joe <jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Simple question..added to this. MY wife's new 401
was
> assembled(not by me) with am aluminum Offy intake
and
> Mr Gasket/Felpro... paper type intake gaskets. There
> is NO metal pan on the bottom of the manifold either
.
> PCV hole is wide open to the lifter valley. NOW..the
> engine had the lifter valley line kit installed. Is
> there a way to slot...etc..the tin valley pan gasket
> so i can install it? The engine is NOT in the car
yet.
> I've heard it will suck oil like mad without the
> valley pan gasket. Will the tin pan thats supposed
to
> be riveted to the intake being missing be a issue
> also? Supposedly NO room for it with the lefter
valley
> line kit? Direct email would also be greatly
> appreciated!! Thankyou,Joe
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-308-1302
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:44:09 -0500
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine
To: <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: Thursday, October 5, 2006 12:03 PM
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Now this would be interesting to research!
I have the Nailhead adapter setup for a 327. If it would turn out
Rangerover
went to any of the overdrive trans in a nailhead pattern! I could then
maybe
adapt a overdrive to a Gen I engine! Cool!
NAW! Can't be that easy!
------------------
Hmmm... the Rover V-8 is the old Buick 215 aluminum V-8. I don't know
what pattern it used, the B-O-P or SBC. It could have the nailhead
pattern, but I doubt it. I've never seen one of those out of a vehicle
though. You might ask on some Range Rover boards what pattern is still
used, and what transmissions. Might be Borg-Warner model 65 s or
Aisin-Warner derivatives. Could even be an HD version of the AW-4 as
used behind the Lexus V-8 (in fact that's very likely!).
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:06:00 -0500
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1971 Turbo Gremlin
To: <cmilstead@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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The "nailhead" or universal TH-400 pattern won't fit your car. It's an
old Buick pattern that has a shallow bell housing. GM sold it as a
"universal" trans because the shallower bell made it easy to use an
adapter.
No one makes an adapter for the pre 72 AMC six to any other
transmission. If you need a stronger trans, the only thing you can do is
install a Borg Warner model 11 or 12, or even a model 40 if you have the
air cooled 37 now (probably have a 40 though). The 37 and 40 are nearly
the same, except that the 37 is air cooled and the 40 is liquid cooled.
IIRC the 37 has provisions for an external cooler though. You can run a
cooler and that will help a lot.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:17:07 -0500
From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM"
<Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1974 Javelin AMX sold for $37,400
To: <Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: Friday, October 6, 2006 07:16 AM
From: Jeffrey.Bohler@xxxxxxxxxxxx
In Hemmings Muscles Machines auction section, it tells the story of a
1974
Javelin AMX, 401 4-speed, that recently sold for $37,400 at Russo and
Steele's Monterey auction. I hope no one on the list actually paid
that,
but what I find interesting is that the article says that Russo and
Steele
portrayed that of the 4,9XX Javelin AMX's produced in 1974, less that 25
of
them were delivered with the 401, 4-speed combination.
Would someone please verify that this is false? Anyone know how many
were
actually produced with the 401 4-speed?
I am thinking they abbreviated the description for the article, and that
maybe less than 25 were produced with the drive train, color, options,
etc,
that I might believe.
-----------------------
Under 25% 401 four speeds is most likely a fact. Only real driving
enthusiasts want sticks, and there aren't that many in the US, and there
weren't in the 70s. Drag racers prefer autos due to consistency and less
drivetrain impact. Since the mid 60s most cars produced in the US have
had automatic transmissions. In the early 60s most had three speed
manuals, with autos optional. Four speeds were always in the minority in
US produced cars, though sticks did make a bit of a come-back in small
to mid sized cars in the late 80s and the 90s. All full size cars are
autos, and most mid sized even now. Well over half of small cars are
automatics as well, probably no more than 25% are sticks.
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:54:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1971 Turbo Gremlin
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610061454.k96EsFE03651@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" The "nailhead" or universal TH-400 pattern won't fit your car. It's an
" old Buick pattern that has a shallow bell housing. GM sold it as a
" "universal" trans because the shallower bell made it easy to use an
" adapter.
"
" No one makes an adapter for the pre 72 AMC six to any other
" transmission.
jeep did, though i have no idea how many were made; they advertised
the th400 as available with the 232 from '65 on.
" If you need a stronger trans, the only thing you can do is
" install a Borg Warner model 11 or 12,
this you're likelier to find. they were used with the 196 before the
aluminum warner, and in at least one of the early/mid '70s postal jeep
batches.
" or even a model 40 if you have the
" air cooled 37 now (probably have a 40 though). The 37 and 40 are nearly
" the same, except that the 37 is air cooled and the 40 is liquid cooled.
" IIRC the 37 has provisions for an external cooler though. You can run a
" cooler and that will help a lot.
these can be beefed quite a lot. i have some notes from australia
where it was virtually the only auto available for some cars even with
small v8s, and they call for some bw51 and bw65 parts... the only part
that should be hard to get here is a valve body for the aussie falcon,
though perhaps either jag or bmw - both of which used aluminum warners
up through the '80s - used something comparable.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:03:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610061503.k96F3jb03695@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
"
" I have the Nailhead adapter setup for a 327. If it would turn out Rangerover
" went to any of the overdrive trans in a nailhead pattern! I could then maybe
" adapt a overdrive to a Gen I engine! Cool!
" ------------------
"
" Hmmm... the Rover V-8 is the old Buick 215 aluminum V-8. I don't know
" what pattern it used, the B-O-P or SBC.
neither; like the nailhead, it predates the wide use of the b-o-p.
bellhousings with the gm std tranny pattern are hard to get. if it
had the sbc or bop this wouldn't be an issue.
" It could have the nailhead pattern, but I doubt it.
it doesn't.
" I've never seen one of those out of a vehicle
" though. You might ask on some Range Rover boards what pattern is still
" used, and what transmissions. Might be Borg-Warner model 65 s or
" Aisin-Warner derivatives. Could even be an HD version of the AW-4 as
" used behind the Lexus V-8 (in fact that's very likely!).
rover used export bw35s behind the v8 in cars, down under at least.
it wouldn't surprise me if the 4sp turns out to be an aw4; volvo uses
it in their rwd cars. but l-r is owned by someone else now [bmw?
ford?] and finally dropped the old buick motor a few years ago. i
also wouldn't be surprised if the 4sp auto came along with the motor
from their new daddy.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 08:52:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC Sighting
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20061006155200.57572.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On my way to work this morning northbound or U.S. 101
north of Salinas I saw an auto transport with classic
cars on board... a yellow Matador coupe was on the
bottom row.
Anybody we know?
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 9:17:57 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Yeah, figures an AOD to bolt up to a GenI would be too easy!
Standard trans is not any easier as the bells are too deep for most if not all non AMC trans. Pretty much leaves a hang-on OD as the only choice.
I know nailhead standard trans bells are out there and could be bolted to the Adapter ring, but I doubt it would solve the depth issue.
HHHMMMMM!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> " From: "Swygert, Francis G MSgt 436 CES/CECM" <Francis.Swygert3@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> " From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> "
> " I have the Nailhead adapter setup for a 327. If it would turn out Rangerover
> " went to any of the overdrive trans in a nailhead pattern! I could then maybe
> " adapt a overdrive to a Gen I engine! Cool!
> " ------------------
> "
> " Hmmm... the Rover V-8 is the old Buick 215 aluminum V-8. I don't know
> " what pattern it used, the B-O-P or SBC.
>
> neither; like the nailhead, it predates the wide use of the b-o-p.
> bellhousings with the gm std tranny pattern are hard to get. if it
> had the sbc or bop this wouldn't be an issue.
>
> " It could have the nailhead pattern, but I doubt it.
>
> it doesn't.
>
> " I've never seen one of those out of a vehicle
> " though. You might ask on some Range Rover boards what pattern is still
> " used, and what transmissions. Might be Borg-Warner model 65 s or
> " Aisin-Warner derivatives. Could even be an HD version of the AW-4 as
> " used behind the Lexus V-8 (in fact that's very likely!).
>
> rover used export bw35s behind the v8 in cars, down under at least.
> it wouldn't surprise me if the 4sp turns out to be an aw4; volvo uses
> it in their rwd cars. but l-r is owned by someone else now [bmw?
> ford?] and finally dropped the old buick motor a few years ago. i
> also wouldn't be surprised if the 4sp auto came along with the motor
> from their new daddy.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:39:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Hot Rod-Mid engine
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200610061639.k96GdsE01656@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" Yeah, figures an AOD to bolt up to a GenI would be too easy!
" Standard trans is not any easier as the bells are too deep for most if not all non AMC trans. Pretty much leaves a hang-on OD as the only choice.
" I know nailhead standard trans bells are out there and could be bolted to the Adapter ring, but I doubt it would solve the depth issue.
" HHHMMMMM!
" --
this might be exactly what you need! there are nailhead bells with
the gm standard tranny pattern... this would open up a whole world of
tranny options!
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 18:00:28 -0400
From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Not the AM Macaren
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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It's two weeks since I last moved the cheese where AMC mice don't please, but after a Met opening (too little time for a Mets game), a Tenerife trip (to see what will be in Atlanta) and a train from Spain to an auto show before a plane, I'm "home" --- where, if it's not about Vespas and trams,
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22749-2374531,00.html
it's about Charity AMXs and Javelin Trans Ams.
It's time for AMC to win: it only takes plans.
>>
little if any press exposure, little if any solicitation of donations
very little exposure inside the hobby.
<<
>>
problem with this project is that the AMC community has been burned
<<
>>
main reasons I hesitate to get Involved
there should have been a detailed project plan
charity(s) identified should have had some knowledge of this as well
<<
So AMC fans said. 20 years after death. AMC Goals? AMC Leadership?
Sad.
Lani Guinier, Lynn Sherr, Fareed Zakaria, and Drew Carey this weekend; Moshe Safdie on 10/11 for a final 411; not much time, but enough to make mice men.
So I'll ask: Do you do the AM Macarena?
It may be a new Marlin Matador Machine,
http://tinyurl.com/h4fwr
or it'll make a Mopar 300 mambo go mad.
Don't ask if American Motors can dance.
Listen to the music. Feel a beat now?
http://tinyurl.com/l47wv
A "Pacer" did not take Paris by storm,
http://tinyurl.com/gs5gu
but a "Gremlin" was, in a way, reborn,
http://tinyurl.com/ryofs
(with more doors; Toyo sees a way up!)
http://tinyurl.com/l47wv
and Chrysler may yet again be re-torn.
"Chrysler has lost $4 billion over the past five years against a $32 billion accumulated profit for the group. This might be time to reconsider whether Chrysler should remain part of the group in its current form. We believe seeking a partial or entire spinoff or an industrial alliance with another party could be a route to higher and more predictable earnings.
(Deutsche Bank report...)
Chrysler now suffers from "reliance on light trucks, scant presence in markets outside North America, and high labor costs" --- including $2 billion/year spent on health care.
[Which was $6,102 in 2004 (averaged for every American) --- and thus 50% more than the residents of the country with the next-highest health care bill, Switzerland ($4,077); more than double the average for all industrialized nations ($2,546) that provide health care for all their residents for less money than the US spends while we have ~46 million uninsured. In 1970, we paid about the same for health care as Europe did: our medical costs have risen faster than anywhere else. Are Americans healthier? No?? Why not? Physicians say America has more high-tech medical equipment than the other countries: Edward Langston, new chair of the AMA says, "There are more MRIs in Detroit than in all of Ontario" but Gerard Anderson, head, Center for Hospital Finance and Management School of Public Health at Johns Hopkins says, no: "We have about the same number of MRIs and CT scanners as do Canada, the UK, and France. We have the same number of doctors, doctor visits, hospitals and i!
npatient days at hospitals. The difference is we pay two to 2-1/2 times more for virtually identical services." Pay for a Royce, deliver a Rambler? Bad.
The average U.S. physician earned $180,000 in 2004; in Canada, only $100,000 (USD). One of every seven dollars spent in the US goes for health care --- 15.3% of 2004 GDP: in Canada it's 9.9%; in Japan, 8.0%. By 2015, we will pay $12,320 per person (in 2006 dollars) if nothing changes: America will be as viable as Nash-Hudson-AMC stores.]
Dodge, like Chevrolet, must have Asia build it cheap, reliable, and profitable small cars now. Nitro is hot, but if 75% of today's Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep sales are in trucks, Hornet won't be American-made. Can America fall as far as Detroit?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/allanm/sets/374377/show/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/allanm/sets/1243631/show/
America forgot? America stopped learning and achieving? America spends twice as much on education Japan does. Got results? American houses are twice the size they were in 1970. Why? American families have been shrinking in size for 50 years. The much-smaller-town home of the much-smaller "small car" company hasn't decayed as much as Motown: where Nash once was, big housing and a small new museum rose,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rcktmanil/99148284/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rcktmanil/99148155/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/yamadel/52341595/
and while one of many (#1) buildings Nash built still serves Kenoshans,
http://www.kenoshacvb.com/pdf/KenoshaLibraryPark.pdf
as do the other buildings (#5, 6, 9, 25) that building Nash cars built
http://www.kenoshacvb.com/pdf/KenoshaThirdAvenue.pdf
which is something to remember even if you started (or think) "small."
http://www.michmarkers.com/startup.asp?startpage=L1397.htm
http://www.geo.msu.edu/geo333/flint-industry.html
http://www.pbase.com/papajim_48306/image/55127757
http://www.pbase.com/papajim_48306/homes_of_the_auto_pioneers
(Remember also, when you're done, no one may know your name...)
http://www.msu.edu/~daggy/cop/bkofdead/obits-na.htm
"If he wants to stop Toyota, Ghosn is just going to figure out how to improve his companies' marketing, the weak spot. As for GM and Ford, they will have to save themselves."
(Flint set that mousetrap on 10/4/06)
Ford/Chevy matte black rat rod too "old" for you? I saw the new Paris "big bad."
http://www.arbitragecars.com/gt.php
Saw the new Avenger too. Magnum opus or magnum lite? It's not the new Concord.
>>iirc the '66 dodge charger with 318 was 52/48% f/r...
If the '70 Charger 318 was 54/46 (and iyrc) that says something on the weight added by fastback sails-and-glass rear (and, since the 1967 318 mill was 55 lbs. lighter, would suggest that a second-year Charger was even closer to the current Charger's "near" 50/50 ideal):
http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/dynobase.html
http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/weight.html
http://www.dodge.com/charger/control.html
>>
remember the early pontiac tempest? it, along with the new little
buick skylark and olds f-85, were built on the corvair platform '61-3,
but the tempest - front engine and all - also used the 'vair transaxle
and swingarm suspension.
<<
Knudsen and Delorean did NOT desire to use Corvair's swing axle design*, which was why the Pontiac Polaris died: Cole refused to fix it. When a rope-drive Tempest got its clone of the Corvair rear suspension, it was over the objections of both Bunkie and John: a far cry from "their" car.
(*after seeing Winchell flip one of the earliest test-track prototypes)
AFA "on" A-body platform: kinda, sorta, but different. Wheelbases, too.
Also don't overlook how GM's V-8-into-I-4 adventures later affected AMC.
And, in a way, that was too bad. One of the reasons AMC finally failed.
Half a 360 = 180. Is that too big?
Half a 304 = 152. Is that "A" OK?
Or for late '70s, better than 121?
Or in early '80s, better than 151?
http://faculty.concord.edu/chrisz/hobby/80-DataBook/B12.pdf
What if AMC hadn't waited for 150?
http://xjconnection.jtv.cc/engine_I4_XJ.gif
What if AMC had moved -its- cheese?
AMC might still be -building- AMCs!
Bite on that.
Once, some amateur designers were on this AMC list: now long gone?
If not, from 300-6000 euros await those who can innovate. Please.
http://www.peugeot-concours-design.com/
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