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1. nos crossram; 1x1 logo & Rambler hood emblem for sale
(Eddie Stakes)
2. v-gate shifter wanted (Eddie Stakes)
3. tilt column for sale (Eddie Stakes)
4. 65 & 67 Ambassadors for sale (Eddie Stakes)
5. 1988 Eagle Premier - Last of the Breed - (Brien Tourville)
6. Re: Trans Go > Silicone is NO GO < (Sandwich Maker)
7. Re: 1988 Eagle Premier - Last of the Breed - ( Russell T. Neyhart)
8. Re: Eagle Premier (Sandwich Maker)
9. Re: Trans Go > Silicone is NO GO < ( Russell T. Neyhart)
10. Re: Trans Go > Silicone is NO GO < (Jim Blair)
11. Asking for a Shot - Charity AMX - (Brien Tourville)
12. Re: Charity AMX (Mark Price)
13. Re: AMC-List Digest, Vol 8, Issue 51 (Thomas, Jeff)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:32:41 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] nos crossram; 1x1 logo & Rambler hood emblem for
sale
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: holzerhomerepair@xxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <009701c6e30d$266dfc20$e8f3b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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NOS AMC HOOD EMBLEM FOR A 66/67/68 AMERICAN IN THE PALSTIC BAG W/PART AND
GROUP#. NOS CROSS RAM COMPLETE CARBS LINKAGES VILOCITY STACKS. $5K. NOS 1X1
68-69 EARLY 70 PERFECT CONDITION. DON HOLZER holzerhomerepair@xxxxxxxxx
262-391-6121
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anyone interested in the parts above give Don a shout, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:26:42 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] v-gate shifter wanted
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: martin-davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Wanted Hurst V-Gate in line shifter for AMC T-10 4 Spd. Thanks, Davis
860-997=2732 cell Davis martin-davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 860-997-2732
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anyone with a V-gate shifter please give Davis a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:20:39 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] tilt column for sale
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx
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For Sale: 1970-later AMC tilt steering column. (Has ignition in column).
$100 plus shipping from California. Joe Fulton piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx
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anyone interested in a rare tilt column give Joe a shout above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:31:28 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 65 & 67 Ambassadors for sale
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <Rambler63@xxxxxxx>
Cc: holzerhomerepair@xxxxxxxxx
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1965 Ambassador 2-door hard top white w/aqua interior buckets and councel
327 4bl P/S, no power robbing options real fast and head turner 109K mi nice
car drive anywhere no issues $4600.00 262-391-6121 1966 Ambassador 2-door
hard top white/aqua cloth interior very nice 327-2brl working A/C Cruse
command PS PB disc brakes 56K miles runs and drives great some minor rear
qtr rust 4 new tires would drive to LA tomorrow with out and reservations
$4600.00 1967 Ambassador 4 door blue white factory painted top rust free
california car 343 4-brl AC PS PB updated kelsy hays disc brakes very nice
car would drive any where in this car 95K miles 3600.00 as is all AMC cars
we have more invested then what we would like but that is the way it goes
please call if you have any questions 262-391-6121 DON HOLZER
holzerhomerepair@xxxxxxxxx 262-391-6121
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anyone interested in the vehicles above give Don a shout, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:55:43 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1988 Eagle Premier - Last of the Breed -
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: "Rhett Butler" <amc.inline.six@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1988 Eagle Premier
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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<87f2c1950609271912x703eb383uce7bec918cba1038@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Well, the Premier has a longitudinally-mounted engine. It's not
transverse, like most FWD cars. So it might not be in that evil of a
place. However, if I get the car, I will hunt high and low to find a
manual on it so that I can repair whatever's reasonable myself.
Does anybody know how possible a 4.0 conversion is? Since the car has
absolutely no value at all, when I get enough dough to play with it,
I
might try to turn it into a more proper AMC by changing out the Eagle
badges for AMC ones, and maybe putting Concord or Ambassador emblems
on
it, and installing a 4.0 would be nice. I'd probably try to find some
'91-92 taillights as well because I like them better.
But that's IF I get this car, and IF I ever see fit to play around
with
it. Just thoughts bouncing around in my head.
Thanks for the suggestions!
Peace,
Rhett
=== ===
Since it is the end of the line Eagle - and in 20 years it'll be
featured as a lone survivor of a forgotten merger of some car
makers of note - I'd coat the undercarriage with
corroless & see how long I could keep the car in decent shape!
thats' my vote anyway........ these are the future 'Hash' cars!
Maybe a Future Hemmings Feature ?
I've collected a few of the 'Jeep-Eagle' patches MoPar had
made for their Service Dept. personnel - and - two
'Original' Jeep - Eagle license plate surrounds.
the 2nd generation 'EAGLE' logo design is striking in its'
own way - would like to collect the Eagle crests but I doubt many are
left -
so - score the car & post some .jpg pix - !
=Bt=
milnersXcoupe
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:02:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Trans Go > Silicone is NO GO <
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200609281602.k8SG2Zi08281@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Russell Neyhart <rtneyhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" I thought that the only applications that would be listed would be AMC,
" Jeep, and Chrysler, but apparently more vehicles used the pan at least
" if not the whole transmission. One weird listing that I have not
" confirmed is accurate is that the Hyundai Pony and Stellar (Canadian
" models) used the pan gasket. Maybe something Mitsubishi and Chrysler
" had going and used the pan and gasket?
is the pony a truck? the big 3 successfully lobbied congress to pass
a japanese truck import ban back in teh early '80s iirc, and since
then all the little 'japanese' pickups have been rebadged detroit
models.
it is with morbid amusement that i see japanese companies successfully
import their suvs as -cars- but get them past the epa and dot etc as
-trucks-.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:10:07 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: " Russell T. Neyhart" <rtneyhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1988 Eagle Premier - Last of the Breed -
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx
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<24758073.1159459807918.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Brien,
I just checked Books4Cars.Com... They had a 1988 Premier Mechanical Service Manual by AMC for $44.95.
Russell
-----Original Message-----
>From: Brien Tourville <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Sep 28, 2006 11:55 AM
>To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [AMC-List] 1988 Eagle Premier - Last of the Breed -
>
>
>
>
>From: "Rhett Butler" <amc.inline.six@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 1988 Eagle Premier
>To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>Message-ID:
> <87f2c1950609271912x703eb383uce7bec918cba1038@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Well, the Premier has a longitudinally-mounted engine. It's not
>transverse, like most FWD cars. So it might not be in that evil of a
>place. However, if I get the car, I will hunt high and low to find a
>manual on it so that I can repair whatever's reasonable myself.
>
>Does anybody know how possible a 4.0 conversion is? Since the car has
>absolutely no value at all, when I get enough dough to play with it,
>I
>might try to turn it into a more proper AMC by changing out the Eagle
>badges for AMC ones, and maybe putting Concord or Ambassador emblems
>on
>it, and installing a 4.0 would be nice. I'd probably try to find some
>'91-92 taillights as well because I like them better.
>
>But that's IF I get this car, and IF I ever see fit to play around
>with
>it. Just thoughts bouncing around in my head.
>
>Thanks for the suggestions!
>
>Peace,
>
>Rhett
>
>
>
>=== ===
>
>
>Since it is the end of the line Eagle - and in 20 years it'll be
>featured as a lone survivor of a forgotten merger of some car
>makers of note - I'd coat the undercarriage with
>corroless & see how long I could keep the car in decent shape!
>
>thats' my vote anyway........ these are the future 'Hash' cars!
>
>Maybe a Future Hemmings Feature ?
>
>I've collected a few of the 'Jeep-Eagle' patches MoPar had
>made for their Service Dept. personnel - and - two
>'Original' Jeep - Eagle license plate surrounds.
>
>the 2nd generation 'EAGLE' logo design is striking in its'
>own way - would like to collect the Eagle crests but I doubt many are
>left -
>
>so - score the car & post some .jpg pix - !
>
>
> =Bt=
> milnersXcoupe
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:14:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Eagle Premier
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200609281614.k8SGEjg08339@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
"
" Rhet
" The Eagle Premier was also sold as the Dodge Monoco before it finally
" died off. The engine was also used by Volvo and I believe Citroen.
peugeot and renault. it was known as the 'prv' engine. trivia: it's
a 90* v6 because it was originally designed in the late '60s as a v8,
but as production approached the first gas crisis hit and a quick
modification ensued. afaik the original v8 version was never made.
as i said in another posting, i've heard that prv sold the engine to
hyundai and that korean quality is higher.
" I would imagine that there is absolutely no capability of installing a
" 4.0 in the thing as it is a front wheel drive automobile so room even
" with the fact that it is a North South installation space is certainly
" going to be a premium.
i'd agree. this car has little in common with other amcs, much more
with other renaults. with enough money you can do anything, but this
would be a substantial re-engineering of the drivetrain and probably
chassis.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:16:37 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: " Russell T. Neyhart" <rtneyhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Trans Go > Silicone is NO GO <
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
<30466413.1159460198126.JavaMail.root@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
These were Hyundais sold in Canada before (and maybe during) the time Huyndais were sold in the US... they were both cars. Perhaps someone in Canada can shed more light on that.
Russell
-----Original Message-----
>From: Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Sep 28, 2006 12:02 PM
>To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Trans Go > Silicone is NO GO <
>
>" From: Russell Neyhart <rtneyhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>"
>" I thought that the only applications that would be listed would be AMC,
>" Jeep, and Chrysler, but apparently more vehicles used the pan at least
>" if not the whole transmission. One weird listing that I have not
>" confirmed is accurate is that the Hyundai Pony and Stellar (Canadian
>" models) used the pan gasket. Maybe something Mitsubishi and Chrysler
>" had going and used the pan and gasket?
>
>is the pony a truck? the big 3 successfully lobbied congress to pass
>a japanese truck import ban back in teh early '80s iirc, and since
>then all the little 'japanese' pickups have been rebadged detroit
>models.
>
>it is with morbid amusement that i see japanese companies successfully
>import their suvs as -cars- but get them past the epa and dot etc as
>-trucks-.
>________________________________________________________________________
>Andrew Hay the genius nature
>internet rambler is to see what all have seen
>adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
>_______________________________________________
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>
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:28:29 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Trans Go > Silicone is NO GO <
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY114-F1928A311C404F1255C4B1BAC1B0@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Just a quick thought on the pan gasket: One from a 42RE or TJ 999 should
fit. (factory rubber lifetime ones)
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:39:19 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Asking for a Shot - Charity AMX -
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Thomas M. Benvie - quote:
The car can be done in short order.
A number of our local guys have
award
winning cars,
have done a number of restorations, and in all honesty are
ready for the challenge.
- if we miss the Jan. auction, when is the next
one?
People have offered to pay for transport now.
=== ===
[!] * Kan't beat that with a stick -
Let's Kick-iT !
I vote to ship that car ASAp - !
Lock & Load!
Who's With Me ?
=Bt=
milnersXcoupe
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 9:50:09 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Charity AMX
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: tbenvie@xxxxxxxxxxx, farna@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <5747944.1159462209464.JavaMail.root@web25>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
I'm going to put in a vote here as Tom said the car was donated for charity to the list in general.
I never had much to offer this project although I did manage to get the fuel tank restoration donated.
I think Tom wants the car back to finish it.
He has offered to FINSH it quickly and wrap it up.
Let him do it! Send it home!
Not slamming, flaming or anything else. I just think the car should go to the person or group who is willing and able to get the most done. Tom thinks he can FINISH it, let him!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- tbenvie@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> Frank, you are killing me!
>
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:10:56 -0400
From: "Thomas, Jeff" <jeff.thomas@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 8, Issue 51
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Frank/Tom,
Isn't the AMC community already fractious enough without the public
bickering from the two of you ? Figure out what you're going to do
please and take the slug-fest off-line. You both made excellent points
but also more than enough silly and rude ones to make me ill. If you
want to turn people off from participating and/or donating to the
project, keep up the rancor. Projects like this (or anything of large
scale with multiple resources/contributors) need a schedule with clear
milestones and willing resources who are "signed up". The current state
of the project isn't surprising to me given the history offered here.
When things are "free" you get what you get. Sad, but true. Let's move
forward.
I DO wish the project much success and hope to hear about it, not only
within the AMC community, but also within the larger collector car
genre. Maybe now that everybody is stirred up and pissed off things will
get done. From what I've seen you're on the down side of the mountain.
It is/was a great idea and will end up, I'm sure, being a super finished
project. Good luck to all of you the rest of the way, and my sincerest
thanks to those of you who have contributed. Let me know where I can
send a check. Keep it up.
J T
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Today's Topics:
1. Spirit U-joints (jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)
2. Re: Charity AMX (tbenvie@xxxxxxxxxxx)
3. Kammback Eagle bumper pieces wanted (Eddie Stakes)
4. 68-70 AMX/Jav rear bumper core wanted (Eddie Stakes)
5. 74 seat belt interlock relay wanted (Eddie Stakes)
6. disc brake sheilds wanted/hornet/gremlin/spirit/concord
(Eddie Stakes)
7. pierre cardin interior parts wanted (Eddie Stakes)
8. 69 aMX for sale (Eddie Stakes)
9. 63 Rambler 440 or sale (Eddie Stakes)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:34:38 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Spirit U-joints
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC List)
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Well, parts don't usually fall from the sky, but lately I've been the
recipient of some good fortune, (bout time).
My boss came into my office yesterday and put two u-joints on my desk,
still in the boxes, Precision PCN-369. He proclaimed, "I bought these
for my kid's jeep and then he sold it, maybe you can use them." He did
the same thing a week or two ago with a Duralast starter, same
application. Hey, man, keep the parts coming...
I looked up the application on O'Reilly's site and bingo, 83 Spirit
U-joints. Sometimes it pays to go to work, I know it's suppose to pay
everyday, some days are just better than others. :-)
Now to see if they fix the fit problem.
Jack
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 13:52:02 +0000
From: tbenvie@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Charity AMX
To: farna@xxxxxxx
Cc: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
<092820061352.8017.451BD3820007E6C800001F5122007507440A0790020A0D9B@comc
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Frank, you are killing me!
"I'm NOT going to get upset with you or your last post."
Good, I didn't make anything up, so whjy would you?
"though I did have more of an idea of the length of time it could take)
"
Really-and you never shared this, that it would be a 6-7 year project?
Just how many cars have you done to base your decision?
"I wrote.... "
Yes, it became almost a one man show. I would hope you time in the
military would have taught you how to delegate, form subgroups or
committees, etc (cause it did me).
"The AMC hobby in general KNOWS about this car"
Yet there were posts from people who did not....
"I KNEW it would take a lot of time, but it's taken more time than even
I expected"
See above-your statement you knew it would take a long time.
"If you have lots of time to devote to finishing the car it COULD be
done in a couple months, but is there any point in rushing the job now?
Or is it just that you have the time right now and think you may not
later?"
I wouldn't have volunteered if I couldn't do it.
"Send me a personal e-mail if you want to discuss this point, public
forums is not the place. "
What is there to discuss. i told you I could work on the car, i am
willing to work on the car, I just need the car.
"I KNEW that would be the nature of the project as it went along, there
has ALWAYS been the POTENTIAL that someone around the car could/would
INTENTIONALLY swap some part(s) out for their personal benefit. "
You actual say you knew this in advance.....?
"Each team was supposed to do their own "bush beating""
Says who? The rest of us couldn't help? that is the problem
Frank-people who wanted to help felt left out without more publicity,
input, etc.
"None of the big name guys like Summit, but we really don't need
aftermarket parts."
Cash????
" the only reason I accepted the car"
You are killing me again! YOU accepted the car??? Go back in time
Frank. The car was donated to the list, not you, your magazine, or
anything/anyone else. It came about from a disussion on the List that
was all talk-I donated the car as a "put up or shut up" proposition.
Nobody was in charge. People got together and a great idea (which was
not mine-I did not start the donation idea, I joined in, same as you)
came to happen. I don't know how you came to think you are in
charge-you were starting your magazine, and it was a good fit, so no
complaints that someone volunteered to coordinate this. For that, you
should be thanked.
"I would like the project to get out to another group before it goes
back to Boston for final disposition. "
And how is this YOUR decision? This is the AMC hobbies car. YOU do not
have the right to make decisions based on what Frank wants.
"You offered taking it last year and I thought hard about it."
Still thinking? What has happened in the meantime?
"I expect you're going to publicly criticize everything that was done
other than what you expected or would have done. "
"don't think you'd have done any better, just given up and pulled it
back to finish yourself"
You really don't know me at all.
"would have been chosen"
But they weren't offered, were they?
Bottom line, Frank-the car has a lot done to it. The people behind the
scenes, those who donated time, money, space, etc. would like to see the
project finished. The good news is the price of a 70 AMX has
skyrocketed since the car was started.
The car can be done in short order. A number of our local guys have
award winning cars, have done a number of restorations, and in all
honesty are ready for the challenge. the more you wait, the longer it
will take to get done. For instance, if we miss the Jan. auction, when
is the next one? Where will the car go in the meantime? You don't have
a few weeks. People have offered to pay for transport now. It is not
your decision Frank, it is not mine. It is the AMC communities car.
Let's here from them before a decision is made, but let's make a
decision in the next few days to get this going again.
--
Thomas M. Benvie
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From: farna@xxxxxxx
> You know Tom, I'm NOT going to get upset with you or your last post.
> This has been a massive undertaking, more so than anyone who started
> it (including you and I, though I did have more of an idea of the
> length of time it could take) could have expected. I wrote a few
> letters to Hot Rod and and a couple other mags shortly after this
> started -- they never got published. The AMC hobby in general KNOWS
> about this car -- it's been talked about a lot on the List and the
> Forum. Club members have been asked to take the info to their club
meetings and see what they could do. Vendors have stepped up and donated
a lot of parts.
> Individuals and a few clubs HAVE stepped up and donated a lot. I KNEW
> it would take a lot of time, but it's taken more time than even I
> expected. I expected the car to be ready to go to auction last year. I
> wouldn't have been disappointed if it was ready to go now. If you have
> lots of time to devote to finishing the car it COULD be done in a
> couple months, but is ther e any point in rushing the job now? Or is
> it just that you have the time right now and think you may not later?
> Send me a personal e-mail if you want to discuss this point, public
forums is not the place. Or call me at 302-233-4925.
>
> I know parts have been misplaced and "lost in the shuffle", and a few
> decisions were made on site that I probably wouldn't have made, and
> I've made decissions that you probably wouldn't have made -- I'm sure
> it would have been the other way around had our roles been reveresed.
> I KNEW that would be the nature of the project as it went along, there
> has ALWAYS been the POTENTIAL that someone around the car could/would
> INTENTIONALLY swap some part(s) out for their personal benefit. I
> don't think that has happened, though some things have obviously been
> misplaced/lost during transportation and changing of hands. There have
> been honest efforts to minimize this, but surely you didn't think the
> car could go half way around the coutnry,change hands several times,
and not have some of that happen?
>
> Each team was supposed to do their own "bush beating" and publicity.
> Most got some nice local coverage, even Dave got a mention in one of
> the local papers shortly after he took over the car. As I stated
> earlier, the general hobby magazines don't seem to care. Maybe now
> that the car is nearing completion we can get some interest though.
> I'll make another effort. There HAS been donations outside the hobby.
> One AACA chapter sent in a donation, and I know that the GA, FL, and
> TX teams solicited some parts from local suppliers (GA got an amount
> of credit for whatever they needed from NAPA, for example). Dave
> DeLabio got a local paint and supply company to donate all the
materials (and Zion Auto Body to do the work), and the FL guys got a
wheel restorer to powder coatthe wheels.
> Check the web page out again
> (http://www.mattsoldcars.com/charityamx/index.html). None of the big
> name guys like Summit, but we really don't need aftermarket parts.
> I'll be writing Legendary for seat covers soon.
>
>
> The car needed much more body work than anticipated, yes. And other
> work. "Good for a New England car" isn't saying a lot -- there are
> lots of southern and western cars with great bodies, but then they
> need everything else. But we have more people in the hobby capable and
> willing to do "everything else" -- lots of body work isn't in most
> people's repertoire of skills -- with some exceptions such as
yourself.
>
> A 70 AMX means there are lots of one year only parts. We have most of
> them with the car, which was a big help though (as you pointed out),
> and the only reason I accepted the car. All the work and POSSIBLE
> problems meant the car would be a
> 3-5 year project instead of a 2-3 year one though, I knew that from
> the beginning. The reason it takes so long is people have lives to
> live, and it has to be transported and "started from scratch" at each
> location. That means it's a year at a location and only about three
> months of weekends are actual work. You don't always have much time to
> work on projects either. The car had to be transported, which took a
> month or two to arrange, then off loaded with parts which were
> inventoried, decissions made as to what work would be attempted, then
> publicity/donations sought, time found for the work, etc. It takes a
lot of time!!
>
> All that said, I also understand why you're getting impatient with the
project.
> It should have been completed this year, at least. Even so, I would
> like the project to get out to another group before it goes back to
> Boston for final disposition. You offered taking it last year and I
thought hard about it.
> There's not much point in getting impatient to finish now though, and
> Zion Auto Body WANTED to finish up the body work they started. I have
> already reached the conclusion that it will be going back to you for
> the final touches. After much consideration you're the best person to
> finish it up, and it's fitting since it started with you -- a complete
circle.
>
> After your last message I wonder if that's the best thing to do,
> though that's still the plan. I expect you're going to publicly
> criticize everything that was done other than what you expected or
> would have done. Or will you realize that this has been a monumental
> task that has been difficult for those who have done a lot of work on
> the car and to manage and coordinate in our "spare" time? Right now it
> appears you're just upset that it's taken so long, and you never
> realized just what kind of task this would be. Maybe you never will
> understnad how difficult this has been -- you're a lot more dedicated
> to the hobby than the average AMCer -- I'll be the first to admit, and
> honor you with, that fact. I don't think you'd have done any better,
> just given up and pulled it back to finish yourself a lot sooner. The
effort has been more for the AMC community, as much as for the
charities, than for the car itself. I hope you realize that.
>
> If a speedy effort was all that was wanted, a car in better body
> condition and much easier to get parts for (Gremlin, or 66-69
> American/Rogue, even a Javelin
> -- almost anything but an AMX) would have been chosen. It wouldn't
> have made as much money, but it would have been finished much sooner.
> The AMX has some people intimidated, they don't want to do anything
> (especially now!) because they don't want the criticism that some
> people have been giving the project, and the fact that it's an AMX.
> The car will get looked at harder than a Gremlin/Rambler/Javelin
> (non-AMX model) would. I anticipated some of that when you offered the
> car, but decided to go for it anyway. I sometimes regret it -- another
> model would have been easier to deal with, and a second car would be
> starting rounds now. In the long run I think as much money would have
> been raised on two cars as with this one AMX, and possibly in the same
> amount of time
> -- the car wouldn't have got passed around as large an area.
>
> The biggest problem with this project is that the AMC community has
> been burned by the experience and criticism it has generated. I'm not
> sure another project like this will be attempted even on a car that
> needs much less work. But I still don't regret the effort, and may try
> something similar again. Keeping it in one region might help. I was
> going to say getting committments before the project started, but we
> had some enough of those to last a couple years -- who knew no one
> else would step up? Anyway, that's enough! Time to pull together and
> get finished, not for any resentments as to how things have come
together up to now and further criticism.
>
> --
> Frank Swygert
> Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
> Magazine (AMC)
> For all AMC enthusiasts
> http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
> (free download available!)
>
> -------------original message----------------------
> Re: [AMC-List] Charity AMX
>
> Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 07:56 PM
> From: Thomas Benvie <tbenvie@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Frank, once again you are missing the point. The ball was dropped
> long before you deployed overseas. Fact is, the project never became
> what it could of become-there has been little if any press exposure,
> little if any solicitation of donations or parts outside of the AMC
> hobby, and very little exposure inside the hobby. Only a few people
> stepped forward tomake anything happen as far as actual work-which is
> okay, because a few are better than none. there have been some pretty
> rotten decisions made about the car, parts to buy, status of work,
> etc. The car was worse than you expected? What does that mean? you
> got a car with stright floors and gussets-not bad for New England.
> And it was a 70, and mostly complete, a 2 owner car. the quarter was
> damaged worse than expected-well, when the car left here it had a mint
> used qurter for the side that we knew was damaged. When damage to the
> other side was discovered I donated the other side, and dave from Ga.
> willingly came up to Bost on and picked it up./ It left here with ram
> air, but it turned up missing-I donated another complete set, with air
> cleaner. The wheels were bad- (but not when it left) so I sent out
> some more, complete with NOS trim rings, etc. more was asked, I sent
> out more and more. last i knew there were two right side seats-how did
> that happen. Missing a rocker molding and window-where did it go?
> On and on and on. Now you say you need a "few more weeks" to find
> someone else to finish it. you've had a few years. "Won't have it
> done in time"-says who?
> yeah, if you continue to procrastinate nothing will get done. If I
> knew you or AIM would somehow be in charge the car would have stayed
> right here in Mass.
> It's been 6 years-a lot of people have donated a lot of time, money,
> and parts to get this done. No time to wait Frank-use the cash you
> have to get it shipped back here. it will be finished and if it is
> ion the shape i am told it is in, it will be ready for auction. The
> guys left in the New England Club will get it done, find the
> resources to get it shipped and to the auction. Enough is enough-time
> for excuses are over. "LAST CALL" for what, Frank-I am offering the
> help needed to get it done, and get it done now.
>
>
> Tom, yes, the car has stalled in Wisconsin. The main reason I've let
> it go for a while is the body shop with the car has been doing a
> superb job AND a lot of work -- that and I've been away in Afghanistan
> until a week ago. It NEEDS to move this year!! I HAVE been beating the
> bushes to get another club/group/individual to take the car and
> complete the interior and the exterior/mechanical miscellaneous items
> that still need attention.
>
> It saddens me to think that no one wants to do any work on the car in
> that area of the country. There are groups in the mid west,
> supposedly, and I contacted a few individuals who were going to "bring
> it up" at meetings. I never heard back.
> It was only through the monumental efforst of David DeLabio in Racine
> that the car didn't get stranded in Wisconsin. We lucked out really --
> Zion auto body has done top notch work! They found where the car had
> been in a wreck and it wasn't fully repaired but patched over -- the
> right rocker was bent in about 1/8"
> making the quarter tough to fit. Rather than patch it back up to look
> right they straightened everything properly. We couldn't have got
> better body work, but I'm sure they are ready to move the car by now.
>
> I have to tell you, I'm, pissed off at the mid west AMC enthusiasts in
> general.
> I know there are some who would have liked to take it but don't have
> shop/garage space for the car. But you'd think someone in the mid west
> would be able to do something. This isn't an AIM magazine project,
> though I have been sponsoring it, it was/is an AMC community project.
> But there are a few people I haven't contacted directly yet. Jock
> Jocewicz is one of them. I had planned on doing just that, then Dave
> located Zion Auto Body and they agreed to do all the body work. You
> reading this Jock? Drop me an e-mail or call me (anyone interested in
> taking the car for work) at 302-233-4925.
>
> This is the LAST CALL for someone to winter the car and get some work
done.
> The
> car was rougher than we (those who conceived the project) expected,
> and there have been a few bumps along the way, but there's no reason
> it should have taken this long. If I can't get anyone interested, the
> car will go back to Tom in the next few weeks. He shouldn't have to do
> as much work as it needs to get finished. I don't think it can get
> completed in time for the winter auction, but it could be completed
> for spring.
>
> So, barring someone actually taking the car for at least SOME more
> work, is there anyone on the list willing to assist with transporting
> it to Tom's home near Boston? Yes, there are some funds left. If
> anyone can get a discounted rate or transport the car for expenses
> that would be preferred to having a transportation company do it.
> Give me a couple weeks to beat a few more bushes.
> I just got back home from Afghanistan -- haven't had time to do
anything yet!
>
> See what's needed and what's been done at
> http://www.mattsoldcars.com/charityamx/index.html.
> The last report was almost a year ago, but the car hasn't just been
> sitting at Zion. They have continued working on the body as time
> permits and completed more of the work they started. I haven't heard
> from Dave since I got back in the country, but will be contacting him
> for an update (just called and left a message, and sent an e-mail!).
> If all went as planned it should be painted and mainly need interior
> work now.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:24:30 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Kammback Eagle bumper pieces wanted
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx
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=WANTED= > > '81 - '82 Eagle KAMMBACK plastic rear bumper ends - > and
plastic bumper to body closing strip - any color - > no junk. > > these
have the 'faux' chrome strip that run from the bumper > to the wheel
well flare.
> > any leads appreciated ! Brien Tourville hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx
1-845-255-5322 ================================= anyone that might have
some bumper pieces for sale give Brien a shout above, thanks, Eddie
Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:22:29 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 68-70 AMX/Jav rear bumper core wanted
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: kort_j@xxxxxxx
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Wanted: 68/70 AMX rear bumper core to be plated. Must be solid on the
back, no scaley rust stuff. Of course no extra holes from travel trailer
hitches or disco blinkers. In need of two decent cores, not interested
in previous plate jobs unless they are perfect and cheap. I prefer to
see the core I am dealing with. Thanks for any help. John Kort
kort_j@xxxxxxx 636 931 7432
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:25:45 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 74 seat belt interlock relay wanted
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: ROBERT R BOWERS <robertbowers7080@xxxxxxx>
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**WANTED**Seatbelt interlock overide module for '73-'74 AMX/Jav. NOS
preferred, but will accept clean & used if I can find one. Include
shipping to Zip 98465 Bob Bowers robertbowers7080@xxxxxxx
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anyone that can help Bob above give him a shout, thanks, Eddie Stakes'
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:30:09 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] disc brake sheilds
wanted/hornet/gremlin/spirit/concord
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: sftamx1@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Wanted for Spirit/Concord/Hornet: 1 pair of Disc brake dust shields in
good shape. Scott Turney sftamx1@xxxxxxxxxxx 315-224-3936
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anyone that can help out Scott give him a shout above, thanks, Eddie
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:23:23 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] pierre cardin interior parts wanted
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: mkneebone@xxxxxxx
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WANTED: Guys, Need some help here. I am looking for Perrie Cardin door
panel
inserts (LH&RH) for my 73 Javelin. If you have a nice set... let me
know. If
you have any other Cardin interior parts also, let me know too. If it is
better then what I have... I would be interested in it. Mark
mkneebone@xxxxxxx 847-826-3181
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anyone that can help out with the Pierre cardin stuff give Mark a shout
above, thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:27:47 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 69 aMX for sale
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: garysize99@xxxxxxxxx
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69amx parts needed steering wheel weatherstripping center wheel cap or
and
whole rim and cap this car will be for sale when finish . completely
redone
2 coats clear on frame and 8 on body 3 on engine area.290 4 speed all
new
parts . only 673 made title 608 near perfect all numbers match 25000 00
gary
sizemore garysize99@xxxxxxxxx 5133448682
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:21:30 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 63 Rambler 440 or sale
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, <Rambler63@xxxxxxx>
Cc: piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx
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For Sale: 1963 Rambler 440 Hardtop. Straight body, 196/twin-stick manual
w/overdrive. 2-bbl ""Powr-Pak"" carburetor. Good glass, bumpers. Needs
at
least one freeze plug. Runs, but needs carb rebuilt. Looks to be a sound
car, but needs work to be a driver. Looks lousy. Was painted with a
brush,
but the paint appears to be projecting the unsanded factory paint well.
$1000, located in California. Joe Fulton piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx
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anyone interested int he Rambler fro sale give the folks a shout above,
thanks,
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
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