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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Play on Words (JOE FULTON)
2. Fw: AMC Pacer gas tank wanted (Eddie Stakes)
3. American Motors FORUM -- back up and running (Tom Jennings)
4. Re: Play on Words (Tom Jennings)
5. Re: Play on Words (dan whitehead)
6. Re: Play on Words (Ken Ames)
7. Vote for Mel Valentine's AMX In Hemmings Muscle Machines
(Eddie Stakes)
8. Toploader Swap into AMC? (amc401z@xxxxxxx)
9. Anyone near South Dakota? Heard of the Pioneer auto museum?
(Jerry Casper)
10. Fw: clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing wanted
(Eddie Stakes)
11. Re: Toploader Swap into AMC? (Sandwich Maker)
12. Re: Anyone near South Dakota? Heard of the Pioneer auto
museum? (RetroRalph)
13. '69 V-8 Rambler American $3000 near Spokane, WA. (not mine)
(Jamie Smith)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 09:03:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Play on Words
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060924160350.20807.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Brien said:
For their limited amount of time in production,
>> I don't believe they faired well in surviving -
>> Opinions ?
Did someone say Spirit?
I had a 1980 Spirit until recently when I sold it. It
was purchased on soCal about 10 years ago with about
140,000 miles on the clock and needing a tranny
rebuild (904). We had the tranny rebuilt and my son
drove it up to Santa Cruz for college. It later blew
a head gasket and sat for two years before I rebuilt
the Iron Duke.
With the Duke it was admittedly underpowered but I
used it as a daily driver and worked the remaining
bugs out of the drive train. I put KYB shocks on the
front to help it corner better. I loved the short
turning radius and "sporty" feel of the car even
though it was underpowered. It was noisy at speed.
You could tell the Iron Duke was working pretty hard
at 70 mph. It got better than 20 mpg. I tried to
sell it for months before someone who had at least
heard of AMC told a friend about it, and the friend
bought it. I practically gave it away, but was glad
to see it go because I have too many cars and I have
two other AMCs in line to be daily drivers....63
Rambler 440 hardtop and 64 Classic. And then there's
the 75 Pacer and the 77 Gremlin and the 69 Javelin and
so it goes.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 11:12:08 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: AMC Pacer gas tank wanted
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Miller Jason T SrA 43 AMXS/MXASB <Jason.Miller-02@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <00fd01c6dff7$b3348e80$e8f3b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Jason who is proudly serving our country, is looking for a Pacer gas tank. Hopefully the Pacer is not part of the batallion with the Humvee shortage though! If it is, send photos, would like to see it outfitted with some RPG's. If anyone can point him in the right direction for a Pacer gas tank (or knows what all years this gas tank interchanges with Pacers) feel free to comment and thanks in advance to allw ho may reply.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: Miller Jason T SrA 43 AMXS/MXASB
jason.miller-02@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 3:36 AM
Subject: AMC Pacer
Hi, I am looking for a fuel tank for a 1976 Pacer, do you know where I could get one?
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 10:06:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] American Motors FORUM -- back up and running
To: AMC List <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609241005010.31445@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:50:38 -0500
From: Ian Webb <ijwebb@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Just an update. HYPERLINK "http://www.amcforums.com"; is now
back up. Members will need to update their bookmarks by going
to the homepage and clicking on the forum link.
Thanks, Ian
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 10:16:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Play on Words
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609241011310.31445@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Sun, 24 Sep 2006, Russell Neyhart wrote:
> ...not to keep you talking about this long enough to go out and get
> another Spirit, but... maybe a four worked a bit with a manual would
> have given you a better front/rear weight bias and made for better auto-x?
As Joe points out -- power. But a modern 2.5 would probably
kick butt -- the V8 was a tight fit in that little car. It was
clearly meant for the big six.
I lowered the car in back with blocks under the U bolts,
dearched springs, and blocks under the rear perches to lessen
rear understeer; and didn't put traction bars or parallel bars
to eliminate "wrap up" so hard braking increased wheel hop. Dumb.
It would have been a much better autocross car -- with someone
else driving :-) I'm a good driver, but I don't have that
particular skill (which was hard to assimilate at the time).
my guess is, you could really get the Spirit chassis to handle
superbly with little work.
There was/is someone on this list who autocrossed a lot more
seriously than I, and I think it was in a Spirit. Maybe he'll
pipe up here. An archive search 'autocross' and variant words
would probably find the posts. This calendar year I think.
>
> Russell
>
> Tom Jennings wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Sep 2006, Brien Tourville wrote:
> >
> >
> >> something off an investment firm commercial >
> >> Ameriquest maybe - didn't catch that part.
> >>
> >
> > arf arf arf arf ....!
> >
> >
> >
> >> For their limited amount of time in production,
> >> I don't believe they faired well in surviving -
> >> Opinions ?
> >>
> >
> > They do get a bad rap. I owned one, it was basically an
> > upgraded gremlin, but minus most of the weirdness that made
> > gremlins... gremlins.
> >
> > Great fun chassis for modding. All the AMC-latest good stuff,
> > anything bolts into it, light, common parts, and the "AMX"
> > trim package's rear "fin" is oddly attractive.
> >
> > I had a black 79 AMX with the screamin chicken on the hood,
> > the complicated orange decaling and the fender flares. I ended
> > up stripping all that gunk off -- except the tail which was
> > inexplicably attractive -- and painting it white. Had 304 and
> > 998. I used to autocross it (I wasn't a goodf autocrosser and
> > I made a lot of chassis mistakes in the car, none the fault of
> > the car).
> >
> > Made my own grille (eh, but I hated that late-70's baroque
> > pointless complexity) and converted it to single headlamps
> > (which I think was a big win). kept the fin, bumpers black.
> >
> > You can judge it here:
> >
> > http://wps.com/AMC/1979-AMC-AMX/index.html
> >
> > I kinda wish I had an 83 GT...
> >
> > In fact I have to stop now, I'm talking myself into thinking
> > about another one...
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:39:34 +0000
From: "dan whitehead" <freebird_58@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Play on Words
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY111-F293D7D2BAB6A720B51BD0B94270@xxxxxxx>
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My daily driver is an '82 Spirit GT, and I really wish I had the money to
ship Joe Fulton's Spirit he just sold to Wisconsin. I really love the way
my Spirit drives and the looks I get with it, it's just the Wisconsin rust
that sucks. Oh well, just another toy in the long run.
Dan Whitehead
'82 Spirit (daily driver)
'70 BBO Donohue
'69 AMX (hitting the shop this week)
>"Independence - it's the Spirit that drives the most
>successful American investors"
>something off an investment firm commercial >
>Ameriquest maybe - didn't catch that part.
>We don't have many Spirit owners on The List
.do we ?
>For their limited amount of time in production,
>I don't believe they faired well in surviving - Opinions ?
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 13:02:05 -0600
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Play on Words
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1159124525.4516d62d33bbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I drive my 80 Spirit several times a week also. :)
Ken Ames
39Master85w.partscar,67Marlin,68AMX,70Machine,73Matador2drht,73Hornet4dsd,
73-74-75-76GremlinXs,75PacerX,76Hornet2dsd,77Matadorcpe,2-77AMXs,78AMX,
78Gremlin,78GremlinGT,79Concordhb,79PacerDL8,2-79AMXs,2-80AMXs,
2-80SpiritDL,80Eagle4dsdn,2-81SX4s,81SpiritGT,81Concord4dsd,82Eaglesw,
2-85Eaglesw,80J20,85J10,89Sentra4dsd (38)
AMCA = http://clubs.hemmings.com/amcalberta/
Quoting dan whitehead <freebird_58@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
> My daily driver is an '82 Spirit GT, and I really wish I had the money to
> ship Joe Fulton's Spirit he just sold to Wisconsin. I really love the way
> my Spirit drives and the looks I get with it, it's just the Wisconsin rust
> that sucks. Oh well, just another toy in the long run.
>
> Dan Whitehead
> '82 Spirit (daily driver)
> '70 BBO Donohue
> '69 AMX (hitting the shop this week)
>
> >"Independence - it's the Spirit that drives the most
> >successful American investors"
>
> >something off an investment firm commercial >
> >Ameriquest maybe - didn't catch that part.
>
> >We don't have many Spirit owners on The List
> .do we ?
>
> >For their limited amount of time in production,
> >I don't believe they faired well in surviving - Opinions ?
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 13:40:25 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Vote for Mel Valentine's AMX In Hemmings Muscle
Machines
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <022e01c6e00c$e9e312c0$e8f3b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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It is free and what a great way to honor the late Mel Valentine by voting
for his low miler beautiful 69 AMX. You don't have to sign up or anything
JUST VOTE IN THE LINK BELOW!!!!
Hemmings Muscle Machines has been at the forefront of American Motors
covereage and this is a excellent way to let them know we appreciate it and
honor Mel's legacy at the same time, so please vote!!!!
http://www.hemmings.com/mmoy/
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:04:48 -0400
From: amc401z@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Toploader Swap into AMC?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <8C8AE44F7DD6BCE-F68-4705@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello All,
I am presently running a Borg Warner T5 in my '73 Javelin, but am now looking for a stronger transmission. Since I want to keep costs modest and have 3.15 rear gears, I am looking for a wide ratio four-speed to swap in. Wide ratio toploaders with their 2.78 first gear seem like possible candiates. Has anyone ever done this swap? and if so, what issues did you run into? It seems to the me the key issue would be stickout length of the toploader input shaft. The short AMC bellhousings measure about 6 5/8". A Ford T5 input shaft has a stickout length of 7.18" which works fine with an AMC bell. Does anyone know what the stickout length on a toploader is?
Thanks,
Dave
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:55:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerry Casper <gremlingts@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Anyone near South Dakota? Heard of the Pioneer
auto museum?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060924235501.39441.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
I've been flicking thru Flickr photos on Flickr.com,
and ran across this interesting museum. Has MANY
eclectic cars, and quite a few AMCs, a Machine, 2
AMX's, a SC/Rambler, a Nash tow truck, some
Ambassadors, a Pacer, among others I've found photos
of (so far). Anyone heard of this place , or been to
it? Most of the cars are stored in old barns, not
exactly a temp-controlled climate. Amphicar, Avanti,
Oldsmobile "Nomad", electric cars, muscle, vintage,
firetrucks, farm machinery, this place looks PACKED
with interesting vehicles. Just curious if anyone on
the list is near there or been there. It's near or in
Murdo, South Dakota, the pics are posted under the
name of WindPoweredWagon on Flickr.com
Jerry in Virginia
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:21:12 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing
wanted
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Comcast Mail <higgy427@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <031401c6e038$39733600$e8f3b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Mike below is looking for a clutch, pressure plate and throwout bearing, if anyone wishes to help please feel free to reply and also please copy your reply to him and the list here as it would help others, thanks in advance to all who might reply.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: higgy427@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 5:33 PM
Subject: clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing
Do you carry these items and how much?
Do you carry these items at a completion/heavy duty and how much?
If not where to look!
Thanks for your time.
Mike
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:34:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Toploader Swap into AMC?
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200609250134.k8P1Yff15058@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: amc401z@xxxxxxx
"
" Hello All,
"
" I am presently running a Borg Warner T5 in my '73 Javelin, but am now
" looking for a stronger transmission. Since I want to keep costs modest
" and have 3.15 rear gears, I am looking for a wide ratio four-speed to
" swap in. Wide ratio toploaders with their 2.78 first gear seem like
" possible candiates. Has anyone ever done this swap? and if so, what
" issues did you run into? It seems to the me the key issue would be
" stickout length of the toploader input shaft. The short AMC
" bellhousings measure about 6 5/8". A Ford T5 input shaft has a stickout
" length of 7.18" which works fine with an AMC bell. Does anyone know
" what the stickout length on a toploader is?
"
" Thanks,
" Dave
" ________________________________________________________________________
this swap is very easy! the 4sp toplopader is [big surprise] a direct
swap for the -3sp- toploader -- which was used by amc in the late '70s
as the t150. splines, pilot, bolt patterns and length are all
identical. get a complete t150 setup and drop that toploader in.
afaik the hardest thing will be locating the shifter.
if you need really heavy duty you can have the toploader built with a
31-spline mainshaft. less well known is that the jeep t176/177/178
4sp are toploaders; if you want lower gears their guts can be put into
an iron side-shifter case for a 3.01, 3.52, or 3.82 1st.
what kind of engine/power are you running that the t5 isn't adequate?
ford svt '7003x' t5s are good for 330 ft-lbs.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 18:34:53 -0700
From: "RetroRalph" <retroralph@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Anyone near South Dakota? Heard of the Pioneer
auto museum?
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <001101c6e042$cd61cd40$6400a8c0@ralphs1>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
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Yeah. I know about it. http://www.pioneerautoshow.com/
I've never stopped in yet.. It's supposed to be quite a place.
I've been by this one, too. http://www.motionunlimitedmuseum.com/index.html
It's a little closer to Mt. Rushmore.
There used to be list participants from Rapid City. I moved from there in
1965.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Casper" <gremlingts@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 4:55 PM
Subject: [AMC-List] Anyone near South Dakota? Heard of the Pioneer auto
museum?
> I've been flicking thru Flickr photos on Flickr.com,
> and ran across this interesting museum. Has MANY
> eclectic cars, and quite a few AMCs, a Machine, 2
> AMX's, a SC/Rambler, a Nash tow truck, some
> Ambassadors, a Pacer, among others I've found photos
> of (so far). Anyone heard of this place , or been to
> it? Most of the cars are stored in old barns, not
> exactly a temp-controlled climate. Amphicar, Avanti,
> Oldsmobile "Nomad", electric cars, muscle, vintage,
> firetrucks, farm machinery, this place looks PACKED
> with interesting vehicles. Just curious if anyone on
> the list is near there or been there. It's near or in
> Murdo, South Dakota, the pics are posted under the
> name of WindPoweredWagon on Flickr.com
>
> Jerry in Virginia
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:08:37 -0700
From: "Jamie Smith" <oconner51@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] '69 V-8 Rambler American $3000 near Spokane, WA.
(not mine)
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV101C08D1E342895CB3A2FEBF240@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Found this on Spokane Craigslist. Wish I had the money/time/room for it.
http://spokane.craigslist.org/car/211625848.html<http://spokane.craigslist.=
org/car/211625848.html>
'69 Rambler American 2 dr. sedan. Very rare original V8 car. Has new 4.10 p=
osi rear, rebuilt front end, scrambler steering box, and much, much more. C=
omes with original 290 and a fresh 360 with 11.1 comp., 272 crane cam, perf=
ormer intake, and double roller chain. Also comes with AMC bellhousing 727 =
transmission. Really hate to see it go but I'm losing storage and have not =
had much time to work on it in the past couple of years. Please feel free t=
o ask questions! There is just too much to describe here in this posting. $=
3000 obo Interesting trades? (509)990-4193 or ramblerracer401@xxxxxxxxxxx T=
hanks! =
a.. This item has been posted by-owner.
b.. this is in or around Colbert
c.. no -- it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other comme=
rcial interests
=
=
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