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Today's Topics:
1. AMC Forum (Indianapolis - Rob Tompkins)
2. Drive line questions. ( Russell T. Neyhart)
3. Switching to individual emails. ( Russell T. Neyhart)
4. Re: Drive line questions. (Sandwich Maker)
5. Re: WOW! Matching Throw Pillows!! (farna@xxxxxxx)
6. Re: Drive line questions. (Sandwich Maker)
7. Re: AMC Forum (mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx)
8. Re: AMC Forum (Tom Jennings)
9. Re: AMC Forum (Mark Price)
10. Re: Spirit Bumper Ends (Mark Price)
11. GOOD 360 for sale Illinois (Joe)
12. Re: AMC Forum (Tom Jennings)
13. Buzz, buzz (Mahoney, John)
14. Re: Buzz, buzz (Tom Jennings)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 07:21:25 -0500
From: "Indianapolis - Rob Tompkins" <tompkinsr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC Forum
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The site began acting peculiar almost two weeks ago...Brandon the site
administrator rarely appears on his own site...The moderators could not
do anything because they didn't have the right access's...might be the
end for that place also...that leaves people shopping for AMC fixes
where they can...joining sites like mine and Bart Mangrums site...I am
really surprised the posts aren't up here also...Fran shut his site down
a couple years back...now this one dies...That sad thing is the site was
beginning to pick up some speed...but the administrator obviously wasn't
as much of an AMC junkie as the rest of us...Rob Tompkins
http://groups.msn.com/AMCRebelMachine
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:26:27 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: " Russell T. Neyhart" <rtneyhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Drive line questions.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hello,
I've a few questions concerning the running gear in my Eagle. Has anyone done or heard of a 4.0 swap in an Eagle? How similar, or dissimilar, is the NP119 transfer case from the NP129/NVG129? Could the NP119 (or possibly the 129) and the front & rear differentials handle a more powerful 4.0? Would a short header for a Cherokee/Wagoneer run into clearance problems? From my limited (thus far) research, I have found that the NP119 and 129 share the viscous coupling design.
I'd like to build up a 4.0 liter for use in my Eagle, but still have the capability to switch between 2WD and 4WD, and not kill the rest of the running gear. I want to hop-up my Eagle, but keep within the spirit (pun intended) of the car's design.
Regards,
Russell
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 08:27:44 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: " Russell T. Neyhart" <rtneyhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Switching to individual emails.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Can someone direct me on how I can switch from "digest" to "individual emails"? Thanks so much.
Regards,
Russell
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:55:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Drive line questions.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200609201355.k8KDtmW06287@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: " Russell T. Neyhart" <rtneyhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" Hello,
"
" I've a few questions concerning the running gear in my Eagle. Has
" anyone done or heard of a 4.0 swap in an Eagle? How similar, or
" dissimilar, is the NP119 transfer case from the NP129/NVG129? Could
" the NP119 (or possibly the 129) and the front & rear differentials
" handle a more powerful 4.0? Would a short header for a
" Cherokee/Wagoneer run into clearance problems? From my limited (thus
" far) research, I have found that the NP119 and 129 share the viscous
" coupling design.
yes, the 4.0 swap has been done. the 4.0 block even has the mounting
lugs for the eagle diff even though no jeep ever used them.
i don't know detail differences but the np118/119/128/129 are all one
family, and the np218-229 2sp differ principally in adding a low
range. [15 years ago, a friend put a np219 low range unit into his
eagle, so he could walk his 2-axle boat trailer up his steep driveway]
some have viscous couplings, some don't. iirc some have open diffs.
the f&r diffs are essentially the same as the standard cherokee and
wrangler ones. the only significant difference is larger rear axle
shafts. they also can have mopar 8.25", less common dana 44, or rare
amc20 hd axles, and iirc mj comanche rears are an easy swap to the
eagle except that one has staggered shock mounts and the other
doesn't, so one mount would have to be moved. and the driveshaft
would probably have to be snipped a bit.
dunno about the header, but a long-tube design would pay you back more
in performance.
" I'd like to build up a 4.0 liter for use in my Eagle, but still have
" the capability to switch between 2WD and 4WD, and not kill the rest
" of the running gear. I want to hop-up my Eagle, but keep within the
" spirit (pun intended) of the car's design.
do you know about 4.0 strokers? check out the strokers group at
yahoogroups. 250+ hp and 300+ ft-lbs are pretty easy to achieve with
minimal outlay.
what do you have for a tranny? if it's an auto you'll probably want
to beef it up with a police/taxi or tow/rv shift setup. if it's a
stick i'd suggest rebuilding it with ford svt t5 gears, and an
aftermarket 0.80 5th, and a 5speeds.com countershaft stabilizer. [it
may be easier to get an svt t5 and have it rebuilt with the eagle
mainshaft and extension case]
another point if you have an auto - while pre-'95 jeeps have
'standalone' trannies, '96-up obdII jeeps integrate tranny control
into the ecm. but the wrangler 32re is essentially an electronic
version of the tf998 you have, so you could lift an entire wrangler
4.0, tranny, ecm, and harness for your eagle swap.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:56:03 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] WOW! Matching Throw Pillows!!
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC-List)
Message-ID:
<092020061356.1317.45114873000010A10000052521603762230E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
If the car had been in a more populated area it would have been bid way up by now. I'm sure others have noticed that cars in populated, less remote areas will go for a lot more money than those in locations considered by most to be remote. You have to weigh shipping/traveling expenses against the cost -- a bargain may not be such a great deal after those added expenses.
--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Motors Cars"
Magazine (AMC)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
(free download available!)
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:03:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Drive line questions.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200609201503.k8KF3JO07544@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
"
"
" the f&r diffs are essentially the same as the standard cherokee and
" wrangler ones. the only significant difference is larger rear axle
" shafts.
oops! i meant to say larger shafts in jeeps.
the rear ring and pinion is still the same, and with some caveats the
chuck is too.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 15:24:09 GMT
From: mramc@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Forum
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: tompkinsr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200609201524.k8KFOLKV050959@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[AMC-List] AMC Forum
I don't know what's up with the AMC Forum. I do know NAMDRA is going to try
and put up a new forum on the new web site for NAMDRA. The only problem is I'm
not going to be able to get back to Nevada until mid to late October to begin
the setup.Larry Daum VP NAMDRA
Date: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 07:21 AM
From: Indianapolis - Rob Tompkins <>
The site began acting peculiar almost two weeks ago...Brandon the site
administrator rarely appears on his own site...The moderators could not
do anything because they didn't have the right access's...might be the
end for that place also...that leaves people shopping for AMC fixes
where they can...joining sites like mine and Bart Mangrums site...I am
really surprised the posts aren't up here also...Fran shut his site down
a couple years back...now this one dies...That sad thing is the site was
beginning to pick up some speed...but the administrator obviously wasn't
as much of an AMC junkie as the rest of us...Rob Tompkins
http://groups.msn.com/AMCRebelMachine
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 09:50:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Forum
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609200949420.31445@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Indianapolis - Rob Tompkins wrote:
> The site began acting peculiar almost two weeks ago...Brandon the site
> administrator rarely appears on his own site...The moderators could not
> do anything because they didn't have the right access's...might be the
> end for that place also...that leaves people shopping for AMC fixes
> where they can...joining sites like mine and Bart Mangrums site...I am
> really surprised the posts aren't up here also...Fran shut his site down
> a couple years back...now this one dies...That sad thing is the site was
> beginning to pick up some speed...but the administrator obviously wasn't
> as much of an AMC junkie as the rest of us...Rob Tompkins
I've got room on a machine, if anyone's saved the contents
of AMCforum.
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:25:00 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Forum
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <31029852.1158773100924.JavaMail.root@web26>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Exactly where the forum should be if Brandon can't maintain it.
With someone who will/can.
This list and the Forum cater to different crowds with some crossovers.
A stable forum would be nice!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Indianapolis - Rob Tompkins wrote:
>
> > The site began acting peculiar almost two weeks ago...Brandon the site
> > administrator rarely appears on his own site...The moderators could not
> > do anything because they didn't have the right access's...might be the
> > end for that place also...that leaves people shopping for AMC fixes
> > where they can...joining sites like mine and Bart Mangrums site...I am
> > really surprised the posts aren't up here also...Fran shut his site down
> > a couple years back...now this one dies...That sad thing is the site was
> > beginning to pick up some speed...but the administrator obviously wasn't
> > as much of an AMC junkie as the rest of us...Rob Tompkins
>
> I've got room on a machine, if anyone's saved the contents
> of AMCforum.
>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:30:24 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Spirit Bumper Ends
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I would think they could be reprod in Fiberglass too.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- "Mr. AMC" <AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> For those of you that are not purists these could be made out of sheet
> metal with only the need of an oxy/acetylene torch and a grinder and
> minimal body and fender skills. Maybe it just is simple to me because I
> have been making parts and modifying others for 40 years of my life.
> "Doc"
>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:59:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe <jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] GOOD 360 for sale Illinois
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Great running. $350. Trouble posting here?
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 11:52:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC Forum
Cc: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Mark Price wrote:
> Exactly where the forum should be if Brandon can't maintain it.
> With someone who will/can.
> This list and the Forum cater to different crowds with some crossovers.
> A stable forum would be nice!
My friend Edgar and & maintain two unix machines on the
net. wps.com is one of them.
I really don't want to be involved running AMCforum content, but
since we already run the underlying machinery, giving someone
an account to run a website, and PHP or whatever for it, is
not extra work.
I would rather it go somewhere else, for diversity mainly. I
don't want to look like I'm building empire or something -- ugh!
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:22:52 -0400
From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Buzz, buzz
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1973-AMC-HORNETT-ONE-OWNER_W0QQitemZ320024818984QQihZ011QQcategoryZ5357QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
snip
Maverick is almost same condition, and ugly color to boot still got $1200 more bidding and no dumbass questions:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-Ford-Maverick-Excellent-Condition_W0QQitemZ280024696326QQihZ018QQcategoryZ6057QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
<<
>>
There were 2 grills used in 74 on Hornet's. One was used in 73 and 74
with round turn signal lights and the other was used from late 74 till
77 with rectangular turn signal lights.
<<
If '74 gas filler is flapped,
http://tinyurl.com/mnpwh
http://tinyurl.com/oq5o8
'73 cap is, uh, unflappable,
http://tinyurl.com/rplew
AMC fans flap fingers and flames instead of forging a future for AMC. If they're licensed in AMC grill [sic] work, they just throw AMC onto the fire.
On an AMC menu of Nash Noshes and Kenosha Brats, they order Peeking Doc.
Can't they play nicely and share their pleasures in "then" AMC cars now?
Can't they copy the best from other makes making their "new" AMC better?
Two AMC bumper stickers once read: "HORNET Truth Love & Beauty" and "I Got Stung and I Love It!" Both looked like psychedelic trips into an AMC past; one sounds like the "Better Idea" for an AMC future: it's too bad too many AMC experts don't differentiate nectar from venom and just fly above: they could make AMC more than just a dead marque.
That Maverick obviously has the "Luxury Decor Option" trim package Ford introduced late in the '72 run (so it must be a '73?) which was one of the first times any "European" style was marketed as a good thing in domestic compacts (Hornet was ostensibly more "European" but AMC had not seen value in advertising the fact) with very soft leather-look reclining buckets, deep, plush, velour carpeting, burled "wood" interior trim, -radial- tires (Europe handled curves as well as Detroit dragged cars down strips), "deluxe" wheel covers (Detroit still didn't diet) and a long-gone vinyl roof. AMC tried to respond with its Hornet "Kashmir" cloth option*, but it took nearly 5 more years to put its "new" Concord on sale. "The luxury America wants..." was by then almost as old an idea as the '70 body it came in. Like too much at, of, by, and about AMC, too little, too late. And like AMC too often, or too much, too far for the fine '79, also. "Just" how many buyers -ordered- "Limited"!
AMC models versus how many "Limiteds" were -forced- onto AMC dealers to try to sell? If AMC couldn't succeed by moving "up-market", AMC couldn't survive by remaining "downscale", and AMC couldn't couldn't even keep AMC drivers on the road (thousands of whom drove away after '78 when AMC built nothing but small cars...), how could AMC possibly compete with Motown, with Europe, and with Japan? As long as AMC was stuck being "just AMC," AMC was -just- doomed to fail. It took over a decade for its painful fall from potential to ruination to run on down, but AMC was "just AMC" right to its -own- bitter end.
It's still being "just AMC" today; it's still the right make for those who still drive the AMC way. They like AMC "just" the way it was (and is), so they see no need to change. If AMC suits AMC believers, AMC is a big success. "Just" the way AMC was when it thrived and thrashed and crashed and failed: "AMC4EVER" unto death. It's just the AMC way.
Don't build it better; it's just good enough!
Don't beg, borrow, or steal toward successes.
Leave that for Chevy, Ford, Mopar, or Toyota?
Loose a list, forget a forum: AMC is just OK!
AMC cars will run until they rust or rot out.
Then, who cares? They're "just AMCs" anyway!
I was looking at AMX II, Vixen, and Cavalier recently: it is impossible to overstate how excellent they were; it's quite like saying, "Tiger is a good golfer" and nothing much more. I was looking at the last "big" bodies (and at the other industrial items their chief architect later designed: his boats were "water cars"; his cars were "land cruisers", and all demand sailing far afield from "just" AMC history): it's sad to see how far downhill from such high points AMC allowed itself to sink.
If the '67s were too "AMC" for many "conquests," yet not "AMC" enough for many "Ramblers," the 1970s should have satisfied -both- types. And they did just that.
The Hornet/Concord/Gremlin/Spirit "saved" AMC.
More than Altima/Maxima/Titan "saved" Nissan.
More than 300/Magnum/Charger "saved" Mopar.
Even more than Taurus/Sable "saved" Ford.
Maybe more than -any- car can "save" GM.
Good idea, good style, good value, good car.
Had it not been an AMC, could've been great.
But it couldn't change; it couldn't compete.
It just could not step up to the next level.
It stayed "just an AMC" while worlds turned.
Sad. Some things just never seem to change.
Maybe if AMC had just had its own four.
Maybe if AMC had just had a new AMX.
Maybe if AMC had just had more time.
Maybe if AMc had just been more AMC.
Maybe not.
FWIW, Concord's '78 grill [sic]
http://www.amcrc.com/somerset/amc.htm
was unmistakable and a one-off.
Are you sick of stupidity involving AMC?
Do you think AMC should learn from Ford?
Maverick? Ha!
Pinto? ROTFL!
Henry? Nahhh!
"Coming together is a beginning, staying together is progress, and working together is success."
>>
This list and the Forum cater to different crowds with some crossovers.
<<
"I cannot discover that anyone knows enough to say definitely what is and what is not possible."
>>
A stable forum would be nice!
<<
"There is no man living who isn't capable of doing more than he thinks he can do."
Ja!
*I'm at an office in downtown; my AMC lit is [lost] in boxes at home, so I don't how it was spelled or when (1975?) it appeared. That's why AMC needs an online encyclopedia. So anyone, anywhere, can see and read the history, the whole story, of the only true American Motors. Before the real AMC** really is just all gone.
"Nothing is particularly hard if you divide it into small jobs."
Ah.
"History is more or less bunk."
Oh?
**Bag all the "rare" AMC history bunk you can now --- before it too is in some old -bag-.
http://tinyurl.com/rkc8k
http://www.kimwhitehandbags.com/shopsmall.html
http://www.kimwhitehandbags.com/shoplarge.html
"Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is probably the reason why so few engage in it."
So?
>>
Has anyone seen the Sprint Mobile Broadband commercial on cnbc TV or
<<
No.
"Time and money spent in helping men to do more for themselves is far better than mere giving."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4vNINn1uMk
Yo!
AMC could have been more than "just" AMC then.
And AMC could have become a "great" hobby now.
But then, as Henry also said:
"Reading musses up my mind."
Mine is long gone.
Go!
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:35:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Buzz, buzz
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609201430390.31445@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Mahoney, John wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1973-AMC-HORNETT-ONE-OWNER_W0QQitemZ320024818984QQihZ011QQcategoryZ5357QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> snip
>
> Maverick is almost same condition, and ugly color to boot still got $1200 more bidding and no dumbass questions:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-Ford-Maverick-Excellent-Condition_W0QQitemZ280024696326QQihZ018QQcategoryZ6057QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
OK, I agree with you, that is embarrassing. What a bunch
of lamebrain remarks on the Hornet. And I think they are an
excellent pairing for comparison.
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