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Today's Topics:
1. Re: $200 Breadbox Convertible (Savage, Pete)
2. Re: 200$ Bread Box (Jim Blair)
3. Re: It's been a while (eddie walker)
4. Re: 200$ Bread Box (Sandwich Maker)
5. Re: 200$ Bread Box (Mark Price)
6. Re: Exhaust Manifold Gasket and AMC drivers (Mark Price)
7. Re: Exhaust Manifold Gasket and AMC drivers (Tom Jennings)
8. Re: It's been a while (Tom Jennings)
9. Re: Exhaust Manifold Gasket and AMC drivers (Tom Jennings)
10. Re: Exhaust Manifold Gasket and AMC drivers (Mark Price)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:07:47 -0400
From: "Savage, Pete" <PSavage@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] $200 Breadbox Convertible
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Jerijan,
I will be there this weekend with a trailer for the Hemmings car show, maybe I
should come and take a look.
How about tomorrow afternoon?
Peter
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Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 10:03 PM
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Subject: [AMC-List] $200 Breadbox Convertible
For all those interested, that Breadbox convertible is in VERMONT...
EAST COAST (well, more or less)..
Four Hours North of New York City,
47 minutes East of Albany, NY
9 Minutes from Massachusetts Bordor
9 Minutes from NewYork Bordor
This is SOUTH WESTERN VERMONT.
Bennington to be exact.
802 area code
Phone Cell...802 310 9639
(*Why didn't anyone look up the Area Code?)
Jerijan
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:03:15 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 200$ Bread Box
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A: Not to mention in this day and age of cellphones, new area codes are
popping up like crazy and that number you skip over MIGHT be nearby! I get
calls all day long from obviously out of state numbers and yet they show up
in a few minutes time for parts.
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 200$ Bread Box
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Why should we have to look up the area code? If you want to sell
it/save
it tell us where it is!!!!!!!! and don't waste our time a few
more words
in your post couldn't have caused you a problem. I have said
this for
years if you are selling a car or anything say where you are.
Don't
waste my time looking up area codes to find out you are a couple
of
thousand miles away and out of reality for me to pick the item
up or
have it shipped at a reasonable price.
"Doc"
4 miles north of N.Y. City 1 mile off Rt. 87. 2 1/2 hours from
Bennington Vermont as my Hornet knows.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 03:41:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: eddie walker <thematadorman@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] It's been a while
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Hi Colin
Have you written or called Nick Alfano for your engine needs? He lives in Wisc. but he specializes in AMC and could probably guide you on the best route or even build to your budget.
I had a 4 door car that I got in 1978.It was my grandmothers.I kept it for years and sold it when our 5th child came along in 1998. I have regretted that move and tried to buy it back for years. The owner crushed it last year. It still hurts. Sentimental reasons keep these cars alive......soooooo before you ever think of getting rid of it, make sure you wont have regrets otherwise, do it a little at a time.......eddie walker
Colin J Brodsky <cbrodsky@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Wow, it seems like it has been quite a while since I have been on the
amc-list, so expect a long post here...
I took a look at the amxfiles archives and see a lot of folks that I
recognize, but the list traffic seems incredibly light these days.
Hopefully there wasn't a major fracturing of the AMC world as always seemed
to be a threat when I was moderating this list :-)
Anyway, my reason for coming back... I am at a major crossroads with what
to do with my AMCs - in particular, my first car ever, the yellow '73
Ambassador. (as still featured on Jim's AMC history page!). After
finishing up at UT-Austin back in 2001, I moved to NY to start working at
IBM. IBM shipped the '63 Rambler Classic for me - some may remember my
frantic efforts to get that car up and running so it would drive on and off
the car carrier :-) That project, retrofitting a later model 232-6 that I
rebuilt myself into a '63 classic turned into a major distraction and is
currently not running due to need for complete brake overhaul - I never
made it road legal in NY State, and it has probably driven less than 100
miles in 5 years after the engine rebuild. I will probably have some
questions about how to deal with the brake issues on it another day.
However, what has really gotten me to the point of realizing I have to do
something with my remnants of this hobby is the Ambassador. Back in around
1999-2000, when I lived in Austin, I pulled the engine out with the goal of
a mild rebuild to correct multiple oil leaks, valve job, etc. but nothing
major. Compression was always good, but smoked oil on startup (valve
seals) and dripped oil all over the place. At the time, I had grand ideas
of also redoing the engine bay. That all went by the wayside when the '63
showed up and turned out to be a major PITA project - completely stripped
and redid the engine bay on that one and think I had my fill of that kind
of work for a long time. Anyway, I found a trucking company through Eddie
Stakes that transported the car up to NY with the engine block in the
trunk, and amazingly, I was able to have the corporate movers pack an
unbelievable quantity of engine parts and transmissions in dish pack boxes.
So I still have everything for that car and a lot of other stuff I managed
to accumulate in junkyard runs with Fred Koos over the years. (wood grain
Javelin SST panels or 60's BW transmission with overdrive, anyone?) Def.
need to run an ebay auction one of these days.
For the past 5 years, the Ambassador has been sitting off the side of our
gravel driveway - we had a house built out in the woods in the middle of 19
acres. Lots of space - doesn't bother anyone, and thus very easy to not do
anything with it while getting sucked into my job, finishing things in the
house, etc... The engine parts are all over 1/4 of the garage. So, we are
in the process of doing some final landscaping (yes, 5 years later...)
which required moving the Ambassador for the first time since we moved in,
forcing me to confront some things here. I was dangerously close to just
calling a tow company to haul it away for free - I have felt terrible about
not doing anything with this car and thought I should just "cut and run"
figuring this car is a basket case at this point. But, I figured I'll push
off doing anything for now, inflated all the tires, towed it out and
repositioned it where it won't be in the way of our landscape work. In
doing this, I sat in it for the first time in literally years, and I
quickly realized there is no way I can junk this car. I have owned it
since 1995, and the first owner was my grandmother - my grandfather bought
it for her cash the day he retired and they toured the US in it a month
later. I drove it for years through undergrad and grad school. Beyond the
sentimental value, I also realized that despite my gross neglect, this car
may not be as far gone as I thought. It has been well shaded by trees, and
although there is some moss/mold here and there, and it really needs a
wash, the original daisy yellow paint is still as good as when I first got
it in 1995, which is pretty darn decent for original paint. Only the
slightest increase in rust around the rear quarters over years but really
no visible deterioration of note. The interior has also managed to stay
dry and clean and is a great example of the optional Camelot upgraded
interior. Even the vinyl top I redid 8 years ago continues to look great.
The car is also nicely optioned with power windows, cruise, rear defrost,
etc...
I fully recognize that I can't find the time to do a major restoration
project on this car as I would have years ago. However, working for 5
years has me in a much better position than grad school to throw some
money into this car and I think it's finally registered with me that it's
time to do something with this car or get rid of it before it sits another
5 years - one or the other. Additionally, my wife is more than supportive
of spending what it takes to not have a lawn ornament, but does want to see
this come to a conclusion one way or the other. So I need to make some
decisions.
Obviously first order of business is the engine. It's out of the car, and
completely disassembled, but I was fairly meticulous in this disassembly,
ziploc bagging and labeling bolts as I went along. I am sure every part is
in my garage. What I am unsure of these days is whether the smarter route
is to take it in to a local rebuilder, who may do 1-2 AMC/jeep V8s a year,
or just order a remanufactured engine. I am already seeing that the
proliferation of the web in the past few years has put a lot more AMC
resources out there. The engineer in me tells me that a factory line
running loads of AMC engines a year is going to ultimately be more familiar
with them and more consistent, and maybe more cost-effective. But I doubt
I can even turn my current engine in as a core. And with only ~99K miles
when I pulled it, I'm not even sure it needs anything beyond honing on the
cylinders - my guess is it could be at the lower end of the rebuild cost
spectrum, especially if I don't need new pistons. What is the thinking
these days on rebuild vs. reman. for AMCs? I'm not looking to do anything
elaborate - just get back to a solid drip-free cleaner running 360 V8.
Maybe finally put on that Edelbrock performer intake/carb combo I've had
for the past 8 years. And on the installation, what is a ballpark
expectation for what that would run given the circumstances for a turnkey
job at an engine shop? Keep in mind we are in NY now... things aren't as
cheap as South Texas :-(
Basically I feel that if I can get a new/rebuilt engine in the car for $3K
or less, it's a no-brainer at this point if it means I can get the car back
to life. Irrational for a 4-door, but that's what happens with first
cars... I expect the brakes will need a lot of work, but I'm guessing the
parts continue to be reasonably good availability for these cars, and I can
find the time for that while an engine is built/replaced. Beyond that, not
sure how far I'd want to go with paint/body - can't see putting much beyond
$5-7K into a 4-door but I'm interested in seeing how far that could take
it. The exterior has a mildly dented driver's door and front fender, and
the rear quarters will someday perforate at the bottom, bumper is slightly
misaligned in the back, and I wouldn't mind getting the engine bay redone.
But all that gets into big $$$ which is harder and harder to justify on
this car vs. cleaning it up enough to enjoy driving it again. Beyond those
issues, the body is generally very straight and clean and with the good
interior, I would still enjoy the car a lot even without all of that done -
just to get it running and back on the road would be very satisfying.
Wow, what a post... would be interested in people's thoughts on engine
approach as well as how you would plan a budget for something of the issues
outlined above. I'll be around here a lot in the coming weeks - going to
talk to some shops in the Poughkeepsie area as well, and if anyone is from
this part of NY, would definitely like to hear some recommendations.
Good to be back,
Colin
PS - anyone still in touch with Fred Koos? I lost contact with him over
the years and didn't see him posting anymore.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:45:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 200$ Bread Box
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200609151545.k8FFj4U09957@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" A: Not to mention in this day and age of cellphones, new area codes are
" popping up like crazy and that number you skip over MIGHT be nearby! I get
" calls all day long from obviously out of state numbers and yet they show up
" in a few minutes time for parts.
it impacts more than just mobiles. this summer i got a deal from my
isp for dsl + voip [network] phone for $20/mo - and thanks to number
portability [which lets you keep your cell number when you switch
service] i still have my old verizon number, even though verizon is
now disconnected. i'm also still listed in superpages, but that must
be a deal the isp worked.
they're offering it in several states up here, and i could've had a
number 'in' any of them.
i had been paying ~$30/mo to verizon for 'pots' [plain old tel svc] +
$15/mo for dialup internet, so i'm actually saving a bundle by going
to dsl. otoh i had to wire my house...
________________________________________________________________________
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internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 8:57:20 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 200$ Bread Box
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Yep, That's why my signature has my location on it and not much else.
Anyone who has read this list knows the cars and junk I have scattered around:]
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Jim Blair <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> A: Not to mention in this day and age of cellphones, new area codes are
> popping up like crazy and that number you skip over MIGHT be nearby! I get
> calls all day long from obviously out of state numbers and yet they show up
> in a few minutes time for parts.
>
>
> From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 200$ Bread Box
> To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <7163-450A54BE-934@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII
>
> Why should we have to look up the area code? If you want to sell
> it/save
> it tell us where it is!!!!!!!! and don't waste our time a few
> more words
> in your post couldn't have caused you a problem. I have said
> this for
> years if you are selling a car or anything say where you are.
> Don't
> waste my time looking up area codes to find out you are a couple
> of
> thousand miles away and out of reality for me to pick the item
> up or
> have it shipped at a reasonable price.
> "Doc"
> 4 miles north of N.Y. City 1 mile off Rt. 87. 2 1/2 hours from
> Bennington Vermont as my Hornet knows.
>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 9:47:40 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Exhaust Manifold Gasket and AMC drivers
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To each his own is exactly right on this one!
I worked in dealerships for 10+ years up till 1990.
I've worked on these cars on and off since then.
I have NEVER put a gasket on an AMC six manifold or any other engine that did not originally come with one.
Yes, I've done this to old warped manifolds. Sand em and clean them up, bolt'em on. If they are warped too bad have them resurfaced.
In my way of thinking the gasket is just a weak link waiting to fail.
Yes, I know we've done this dissagreement before and have both said our piece on it. Just my take on it.
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Morgantown, WV
---- John Elle <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I think I missed something here on the exhaust manifold gasket. I assume
> this is for the I-6. And I unnerstand the factory used a milling process
> on the fresh cast iron exhaust manifold so it could be installed with
> out a gasket.
> However, when I go to the parts counter and ask for a top line gasket
> set I get an intake and exhaust gasket stapled together. The cheap
> gasket sets do not include the exhaust gasket. Logic says to me that if
> I did not need the gasket, it would not be available. As I have worked
> on a number of I-6 engines I have found that the exhaust manifold warps
> like mad. Up to an including the point where the end manifold bolts are
> broken right off of the engine and when removed the manifold will not go
> over the the replaced end bolts with out woggling out the holes with a
> rat tail file.
> Also my 'speriance says that the intake/exhaust manifold bolts on an I-6
> engine will work themselves loose over time. It seems to me that
> somewhere along the line some one with more experience than I have has
> identified a problem and was in the position to identify a solution. Use
> a gasket! And then went ahead and packaged the gasket set in such a way
> that I got a gasket for the exhaust manifold. Unless of course I was too
> cheap to buy the better set and went ahead with pig headed determination
> to install the intake and exhaust with out the exhaust manifold gasket.
> I HATE exhaust manifold leak noises.
> To me it is a no brainer, buy the good intake/exhaust manifold gasket
> set, woggle out the end holes on the exhaust manifold so it will fit
> over the studs and tighten everything down tightly. That has worked for
> me for more years than I care to count. But to each their own.
> As far as AMC for daily drivers, I gottem. I also have a Saturn and a
> Chrysler Town and Country.
> Their ain't no comparison folks. As nice as my Spirit is for cross
> country traveling either of the other two cars get better gasoline
> mileage, the A/C works better, they travel quieter so I can hear the
> radio. The seats are more comfortable, the cruise control works better
> and many other basic options that are not available on my Spirit make
> traveling that much more enjoyable. Yupper. I have a deep respect for
> the versatility and pleasure my AMC cars have brought me and believe me
> they are nice. But the newer technology is far better and more
> enjoyable. I had planned on restoring my Hornet Wagon and keeping it,
> but to be honest, my T&C is a far better vehicle so if I do keep the
> wagon, it will be to register it with the movie companies and let it
> bring me some income. My go fast street racer Javelin will always have a
> home with me but the Spirits day's are numbered now, I can see it
> coming. I put a lot of work in the car to keep it as a daily driver but
> to be honest. The Saturn has it beat any way you look at it.
> For what it is worth
> John.
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:16:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Exhaust Manifold Gasket and AMC drivers
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Mark Price wrote:
> I worked in dealerships for 10+ years up till 1990.
> I've worked on these cars on and off since then.
> I have NEVER put a gasket on an AMC six manifold or any other engine that did not originally come with one.
> Yes, I've done this to old warped manifolds. Sand em and clean them up, bolt'em on. If they are warped too bad have them resurfaced.
> In my way of thinking the gasket is just a weak link waiting to fail.
> Yes, I know we've done this dissagreement before and have both said our piece on it. Just my take on it.
Not even intake gasket?
Funny -- while I don't have your professional experience I've
never assembled an AMC six WITHOUT the double-gasket set! Only
4 - 5 motors, but none have leaked, though one or two of them,
the end nuts loosen. No vacuum leaks.
I think this is one of those things, it's not night vs. day
gasket or not. Both seem to work, but I tend to agree with you,
more parts == more room for failure.
> To each his own is exactly right on this one!
Well we could always descend into a religion war... :-)
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:23:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] It's been a while
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Colin J Brodsky wrote:
Glad to see you back!
> I took a look at the amxfiles archives and see a lot of folks that I
> recognize, but the list traffic seems incredibly light these days.
> Hopefully there wasn't a major fracturing of the AMC world as always seemed
> to be a threat when I was moderating this list :-)
It does seem quiet; but there's (right now) 607 amc-list members
with verified-deliverable email addresses. The Mailman software
is pretty good and removing dud email addresses (within 2 -
3 bounces).
So we have a small number of loudmouths (erm, present company
excepted :-) and a lot of lurkers. We're either amusing them,
terrifying them, boring them; or they're waiting for the right
moment [no time like the present!] or clinging on out of
nostalgia [but nostalgia on the internet is about 17 minutes].
So why is it so quiet?
> Anyway, my reason for coming back... I am at a major crossroads with what
> to do with my AMCs - in particular, my first car ever, the yellow '73
> Ambassador.
(Keep it! Though it'll be hard to get over the hump and
assemble the damn thing, you'll get closure; if you dump it,
you'll regret it forever. If you get it running OK, and end
up not keeping it, that regret will be much smaller :-)
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:38:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Exhaust Manifold Gasket and AMC drivers
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, John Elle wrote:
> As far as AMC for daily drivers, I gottem. I also have a Saturn and a
> Chrysler Town and Country.
> Their ain't no comparison folks. As nice as my Spirit is for cross
> country traveling either of the other two cars get better gasoline
> mileage, the A/C works better, they travel quieter so I can hear the
> radio. The seats are more comfortable, the cruise control works better
> and many other basic options that are not available on my Spirit make
> traveling that much more enjoyable. Yupper. I have a deep respect for
> the versatility and pleasure my AMC cars have brought me and believe me
> they are nice. But the newer technology is far better and more
> enjoyable. I had planned on restoring my Hornet Wagon and keeping it,
> but to be honest, my T&C is a far better vehicle so if I do keep the
> wagon, it will be to register it with the movie companies and let it
> bring me some income. My go fast street racer Javelin will always have a
> home with me but the Spirits day's are numbered now, I can see it
> coming. I put a lot of work in the car to keep it as a daily driver but
> to be honest. The Saturn has it beat any way you look at it.
BLASPHEMY! BLASPHEMY! LALALALALALALALALALALALALLALALALALALA I
cant hear you... !
(After I wrote this it sounded to me like I was criticising your
choices, John; I'm not. We're all different and make different
decisions, I'm totally fine with that!)
Yup, techology marched on since AMC. While I drive exclusively
AMCs (commute in my 70 Hornet) we own one 1996 Civic DX; little
motor, auto trans, A/C. Out-handles any AMC car (and not just
due to weight). A/C is a no-brainer. And so on...
Personally, I drive old stuff not just for the old-car-ness,
but because I specifically don't like to take part in consumer
culture; I make what I drive; I drive slower, and with windows
open. I hear (and umm, feel) my car run. I'm no Luddite, I just
like to pick which technologies I think will actually improve
my life (radial tires anyone?).
I could probably lop off 10 minutes each way to work if I drove
75 - 80 like everyone else, but I don't want the stress, the
competitiveness, or the gas consumption.
I drive older cars partly to SLOW THE HELL DOWN. It's also why
I'll never put electric wipers in my Rambler. If I wanted a
new car, I'd drive a 1970!
(I did install AC in the Rambler, I certainly enjoy it, but it
really does change the driving experience.)
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:44:07 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Exhaust Manifold Gasket and AMC drivers
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <6780621.1158342247315.JavaMail.root@web15>
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Yes, I use the intake gasket!
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Mark Price wrote:
>
> > I worked in dealerships for 10+ years up till 1990.
> > I've worked on these cars on and off since then.
> > I have NEVER put a gasket on an AMC six manifold or any other engine that did not originally come with one.
> > Yes, I've done this to old warped manifolds. Sand em and clean them up, bolt'em on. If they are warped too bad have them resurfaced.
> > In my way of thinking the gasket is just a weak link waiting to fail.
> > Yes, I know we've done this dissagreement before and have both said our piece on it. Just my take on it.
>
> Not even intake gasket?
>
> Funny -- while I don't have your professional experience I've
> never assembled an AMC six WITHOUT the double-gasket set! Only
> 4 - 5 motors, but none have leaked, though one or two of them,
> the end nuts loosen. No vacuum leaks.
>
> I think this is one of those things, it's not night vs. day
> gasket or not. Both seem to work, but I tend to agree with you,
> more parts == more room for failure.
>
> > To each his own is exactly right on this one!
>
> Well we could always descend into a religion war... :-)
>
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