Send AMC-List mailing list submissions to amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to amc-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxx You can reach the person managing the list at amc-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxx When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of AMC-List digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Cordova Cruisers from Springfield, MO or Jefferson City, MO? (Jesse) 2. '06 AMC NATIONALS PRE-ENTRY (namdra@xxxxxxxx) 3. Re: AMC-List Digest, Vol 7, Issue 51 (Poncho7amx@xxxxxxx) 4. Re: Chilson's AMC family reunion car show (Jim Shadwick) 5. 65 Ambassador 990 for sale MA/RI area $995 (David Borkman) 6. '06 AMC NATIONALS ADS (namdra@xxxxxxxx) 7. SC/Rambler sold (Gary) 8. Penske Javelin Front Suspension, road racing upgrades (hal.lynch@xxxxxxx) 9. Re: Mustang II Suspension? (francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) 10. Additional 1970 and newer Options. (John Elle) 11. Hurst V gate 4 speed shifter and AMC Roller rockers for sale (BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:01:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] Cordova Cruisers from Springfield, MO or Jefferson City, MO? To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <20060828160100.93955.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Well, I will probably be driving my J10 full of parts to Cordova rather than the AMX... a dissappointment to my son! Maybe picking up a J10 on the way back, so I can't tow a trailer, but we'll see! SO, is anybody from the Ozarks area heading to the BIG event? Maybe we can hook up a make a Caravan! Have a great week, Jesse __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:55:08 -0500 From: namdra@xxxxxxxx Subject: [AMC-List] '06 AMC NATIONALS PRE-ENTRY To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <20060824.065509.-16613291.0.NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii For those of you that are not members of NAMDRA and have not received a pre-entry form to the '06 AMC NATIONALS, below is one you can use. By pre-entering you save $5 (it is $5 more at the gate) and receive a free gift. Swap Meet Space (All The Room You Need) $25 Including Spouse & Children Under 16....$______________ Car Show (Per Car) $25 Including Spouse & Children Under 16....$______________ Car Corral (Per Car) $25 Including Spouse & Children Under 16....$______________ Race Only $35 Including Spouse & Children Under 16....$______________ Race & Show Combo (Per Car) $45 Including Spouse & Children Under 16....$______________ Meet T-shirts (Include Size/s Needed) S, M, L, XL are $20ea..................................$______________ XXL & XXXL are $23ea,.................................$______________ TOTAL........................................................$___________ ___ NOTE* - T-shirts are $2.00 more if mailed to you. Send check or M.O. made out to NAMDRA and mail to: NAMDRA, PO Box 987, Twin Lakes, WI 53181-0987 Pre-entries must be received by 9-13-06. Jock Jocewicz - President/Editor NAMDRA NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx 8537 Antioch Rd., Salem, WI 53168 (262) 843-4326 JOIN NAMDRA, the best AMC club around!!! '06 AMC NATIONALS - SEP. 14-16, 2006 - CORDOVA DRAGWAY PARK, CORDOVA, IL AMO#19, NAMDRA#46, AMCRC#974, NHRA#41915, IHRA#6766 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 15:22:20 EDT From: Poncho7amx@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMC-List Digest, Vol 7, Issue 51 To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <552.5a178780.32249c6c@xxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" anyone no the dates and times for the chilson show in p.a. this weekend ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:54:12 -0600 From: Jim Shadwick <idahoamx@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Chilson's AMC family reunion car show To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <44F349E4.3020306@xxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed From the "AMC Forum" http://www.amcforums.com Chilson's AMC family reunion car show Where..... Lawrenceville, PA When...... Saturday, Sept. 2nd If you arrive Friday night there is also a local cruise This years highlights include Bobby Allison's NASCAR Matador, direct from the NASCAR museum in Talladaga, AL. Also appearing will be Wally Booth's Hornet and Gremlin pro stock cars. Don't miss one of the years best all AMC events. FREE food & FREE vending -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:23:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "David Borkman" <dborkman@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] 65 Ambassador 990 for sale MA/RI area $995 To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <3825.131.128.102.160.1156796614.squirrel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Hi all, This just showed up on the local CraigsList - not mine. Looks like a good start for a unique project............. Good Luck, Dave Borkman Saunderstown, RI http://providence.craigslist.org/car/199254067.html Ad TEXT: 1965 Rambler Ambassador 990 - $995 Reply to: see below Date: 2006-08-26, 4:10PM EDT rare 2 dr hardtop; auto; 287 v8; power steering w/ tilt wheel; white w/ blue interior; seats have been redone; needs restoring....call Mike (508) 963-5859 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:37:39 -0500 From: namdra@xxxxxxxx Subject: [AMC-List] '06 AMC NATIONALS ADS To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <20060824.094426.-16555711.0.NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If any of you will be selling AMC or Jeep parts, literature or vehicles at the '06 AMC NATIONALS you can email me an ad of what you will have there and I can get it in the next newsletter but I will need the info by Wednesday the latest! Jock Jocewicz - President/Editor NAMDRA NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx 8537 Antioch Rd., Salem, WI 53168 (262) 843-4326 JOIN NAMDRA, the best AMC club around!!! '06 AMC NATIONALS - SEP. 14-16, 2006 - CORDOVA DRAGWAY PARK, CORDOVA, IL AMO#19, NAMDRA#46, AMCRC#974, NHRA#41915, IHRA#6766 ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:29:50 -0400 From: "Gary" <gwniel@xxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] SC/Rambler sold To: "AMC LIst" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <000501c6caf9$dc534530$6701a8c0@valuedb01b7012> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I posted previously that the SC I had for sale is sold. I have had a few people contact me recently on it. The car is sold. Thanks for the interest. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 00:43:16 +0000 From: hal.lynch@xxxxxxx Subject: [AMC-List] Penske Javelin Front Suspension, road racing upgrades To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <082920060043.25338.44F38DA4000A89A2000062FA2158766720080C029704D2040E08@xxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain Armand wrote Sorry I can't add anything to the conversation other than I like the front end of my 70 Javelin just fine for the street. How ever I have been trying to chase down information on the 70 Penske cars front suspension for a long time. I wonder what modifications they used to make the cars handle better. Anybody have any information thay could send my way?? Maybe some photos of the real cars suspension ? I researched the Penske Javelins front suspension when I was building my 70 AMX road racer. The Penske cars used a custom fabricated box spindle, gusseted lower control arms and center link. I also found out that Stock Car Product's Grand National NASCAR Ford type spindles will bolt right on to the upper ball joint on an AMC and have a similar overalI size to the AMC spindle. I put them on my AMX and they work great. You do need to modify the lower ball joint to a larger size, but this process is easily done while your gusseting them anyway. The nice thing about the NASCAR spindles is that you get much larger bearings and you can use any of the many aftermarket brackets to adapt any road racing brake system you want. A few years ago I also added Ron Water's coil over conversion, which allows you to use any of the Carrera racing shocks and weight jacking capability. Hal ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:21:16 -0000 From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Mustang II Suspension? To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <8B4C911BEBA5E24888E353FF362B9E7702E660C2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm not going to quote any of John Elle's last post -- it is a "must read" if you've seriously considered a Mustang II front end though. His and the one I posted that prompted it as well. I think the two of us covered everything rather thoroughly. Most people consider using something like a MII front suspension to get rid of the trunnions. I think everyone with a real knowledge of trunnion suspsnesions has pointed out that a modern rebuild will eliminate all the problems. The biggest "problem" most people have with their trunnions is that they are 36+ years old and worn out. Nothing lasts forever, even ball joints need to be replaced after that span of time! If you really want to get rid of the trunnion, there is an easier way. Get the steering knuckle and upper arm from a 70+ car. Cut the end of the upper arm off just behind the spring seat. Cut the original upper arms so that they intersect the 70+ section the correct distance away from the body (center of ball joint should be the center of the knuckle position in the trunnion. Weld the two together. Better yet, get some threaded tubing and some urethane bushed rod ends that pivot on the end and weld those on. Or even better, fabricate a new upper arm. A lot of people will cry "nay!" to welding on the suspension, but as long as it's done properly anything can be welded. Might be best to take to a professional rather than DIY though. Fabricated MII arms are all welded together -- either by machine or a pro. While you're at it, get one of the MII strut rod eliminator kits that bolt in place of the original arm and have a weld on pivot point as John suggested. Don't even think about one that straddles the crossmember -- the AMC crossmember won't take that any more than the original MII will. Keep the AMC lower crossmember and arm. All that will still cost 2-3 times what replacing the trunnions with urethane bushed ones, and there won't be any real gain, but "thaose hated trunnions" will be gone. It's your money -- bring the car to SC and my shop in about two years, I'll be all set up and ready to do the work by then! ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:26:25 -0700 From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] Additional 1970 and newer Options. To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <000001c6cb2b$acbda5e0$a7dd0d82@john1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The following information is also highly informative here and worth looking into for those that are curious. Unfortunatly these options are not available for use on the 1969 and earlier Trunion equipped cars but they Certainly are interesting; SNIP Date: Sunday, August 27, 2006 05:15 PM From: Ray Mick <rmick@xxxxxxx> There are some pictures here of how they beefed up the components. http://www.amx-perience.com/TransAmRacing1971.htm SNIP This is fascinating. On the lower control arm though based on my working with them I would not suggest welding both sides of the control arm to the bushing. One side is a press fit, the other is a clearance tolerance and needs to be so that the control arm motion can be correct for street use. This is a case where the limitations of racing are well defined and the so is the flexibility needed for street use. snip From: hal.lynch@xxxxxxx <mailto:hal.lynch@xxxxxxx?subject=%5bAMC-List%5d%20Penske%20Javelin%20Fr ont%20Suspension,%20%20road%20racing%20upgrades> I researched the Penske Javelins front suspension when I was building my 70 AMX road racer. The Penske cars used a custom fabricated box spindle, gusseted lower control arms and center link. I also found out that Stock Car Product's Grand National NASCAR Ford type spindles will bolt right on to the upper ball joint on an AMC and have a similar overalI size to the AMC spindle. I put them on my AMX and they work great. You do need to modify the lower ball joint to a larger size, but this process is easily done while your gusseting them anyway. The nice thing about the NASCAR spindles is that you get much larger bearings and you can use any of the many aftermarket brackets to adapt any road racing brake system you want. Snip Here is a case where "BLING" factor can be utilized on an automobile that was out of production before The use of the word was defined. It too is limited to the 1970 and newer but what a potential mind blower this one is. But remember, there is a price involved here too. SNIP A few years ago I also added Ron Water's coil over conversion, which allows you to use any of the Carrera racing shocks and weight jacking capability. SNIP For those of you who are in to coil overs here is the web site url; http://www.classicone.com/wsc/catalog/amc_x.htm This is a seriously well designed conversion package but again. It ain't cheap either But it could be almost cost justified. While you are here looking check out the rear axle conversion too! This is probably harder to cost justify for street use but then again BLING factor could be high on it! Let us not forget either that amount of description that DOC has shared with us on the building of his recent Hornet. He is like many of the people on this list one who will take the time to share his knowledge or experiences to help and aid others. even if it is just support for doing something you don't think you can do, DOC is there with it. Now if you don't think that you can't build a nice looking and superbly presentable car on a budget, ask DOC to send you a picture. Dawgone, this hobby is fun John. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:00:58 +0000 From: BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [AMC-List] Hurst V gate 4 speed shifter and AMC Roller rockers for sale To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <082920060700.8544.44F3E62A0000741C000021602207300033020704030A9DB9CCC99C9CBE0B0E0EBD@xxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain I have a Hurst V gate 4 speed shifter with the bars for a BW T10 AMC type.it is complete and in perfect working order 175$ I have a set of brand new in the box,never used 1.6 ratio 3/8 studs AMC alum V8 roller rockers made by Purple Angus racing 150$ I don't have pics.Please email me at BaadAss73Gremlin@xxxxxxx if interested regards Bart M. 73 Gremlin 360/T10 project ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list End of AMC-List Digest, Vol 7, Issue 52 ***************************************