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Today's Topics:
1. Spring perch plates... (William Renshaw)
2. Re: M-35/T-96 trans options (Sandwich Maker)
3. AMCer's Opinions: Survivor/Vintage vs. Restored
(jackbarncord@xxxxxxx)
4. Diary of a crippled white man III (Mark Price)
5. Re: Diary of a crippled white man III (Sandwich Maker)
6. Re: Diary of a crippled white man III (Mark Price)
7. Strut Rod Bushings Revisited Ford/AMC (John Elle)
8. 65 "Prototype" (Dan Curtis)
9. Re: Spring perch plates... (Tom Jennings)
10. Re: AMCer's Opinions: Survivor/Vintage vs. Restored (Tom Jennings)
11. Re: Diary of a crippled white man III (Tom Jennings)
12. Re: Strut Rod Bushings Revisited Ford/AMC (Tom Jennings)
13. FART CAN EXHAUST (Brien Tourville)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 05:13:59 -0700
From: "William Renshaw" <lionwren@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Spring perch plates...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Anyone here have a good pair of spring perch plates for a rear sway bar?
They mount between the leaf spring and the lower shock mount. I know that I
can have a set made, but it might be cheaper in the long run to try to find
an O.E.M. set.
Thanks in advance and any responce is greatly appreiciated.
Bill Lewiston Idaho
As always....Keep on a Ramblin'!!
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:06:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] M-35/T-96 trans options
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200608221406.k7ME69K16710@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" I, and a few others, have seriously considered some kind of adapter or
" bracket to allow use of a torque tube with a newer trans. You'd think it
" would be simple enough, but the rear axle actually pushes the tube to
" make the car move. A bracket on the crossmember sounds good, but the
" engine is on rubber mounts and you can't have movement between the TT
" and engine. AMCs solution was to rubber mount the trans crossmember as
" well, but there is still semi-rigid link between the engine and TT. So
" the TT has to be mounted to the trans itself. This puts more stress on
" the engine and trans mount, and newer ones weren't designed for fore and
" aft stresses. So it really isn't practical.
i'll bet iron cased trannies like the ford toploader would hold up
fine, but afaik all the 5sp [and 6sp] have aluminum cases. even the
toploader went aluminum about '80.
" The only problem with V-8 shafts is the CV joint on 63-66 models. Those
" are the only years that joint was used, and it was only used by one
" other company -- Lincoln. The joint nor repair parts are no longer made.
i have to comment here. i have a lincoln ['67], and their cv joint is
just two u-joints back-to-back. the joints themselves are common and
available, but the coupler - which includes centering springs - is the
missing piece. i had to score a '68 driveshaft from a junkyard when
my cv couplers went bad.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:33:03 +0000
From: jackbarncord@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] AMCer's Opinions: Survivor/Vintage vs. Restored
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC List)
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>should I
>remove the engine to detail and paint, or leave in the engine bay and
>clean and detail only(leaving the original "patina")?
This question made me chuckle. No disrespect meant, it just took me back to simpler times and an interesting girlfriend.
I picked up my girlfriend on Friday night, it was summer the year of our Lord 1973. What to do, what to do? Go cruising like most other Friday nights and end up at our usual make out spot? Hey, I have an idea, lets take the Hornet down to the shop, pull the engine and clean the engine compartment! You ready to get dirty? She agreed and sat patiently on the parts counter while I pulled out the 304 w/Ford FMX attached. I cleaned the engine/trans while she cleaned the compartment. We took a couple breaks, but I had her home by midnight and the Hornet had a sparkling engine, fresh coat of satin black where I thought it looked best and the engine compartment hadn't been that clean since I had purchased the car.
Yeah, I was a gear head, or rather I am a gear head. Last I had heard that girlfriend was living outside Madison, WI. 5' tall, 105lbs soaking wet. That was last I heard....
Hornet Report:
Well, she turned over 14,725 this morning on the way to work. The gas gage has given up completely and doesn't even move. The low fuel light quit too. Oh well. I have one weekend free between now and Cordova to work things out, but for now I just apply my motorcycle mentality and watch the odometer. Well that and I carry two gallons of fuel in the trunk. :-)
Spirit Report:
I haven't done much on the Spirit since last report. I did manage to install a new transmission mount, not only was it broke, but the top bolts were gone and I discovered that the carbon canister connections are gone, rotted right off. The more I look at that mass of vacuum lines, half cut, one fourth of those are open, another fourth are plugged with golf tees and the balance are hook to something, right or wrong I'm starting to consider replacement of the fuel system to something simpler. Comments, suggestions or condemnations welcome.
Jack
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 8:15:46 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Diary of a crippled white man III
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Stayed up till 2:30 am as I have surgery today and can?t eat after midnight.
I figure I?ll sleep in, not to be. I am up at 8:30. Oh well at least I can sleep on the table.
I?m not thrilled with the general anesthesia thing. I?ve also spent 5 weeks with this collar bone as-is. It sucks, My shoulder is out of alignment and just doesn?t work right. I?m hoping things go well and I can get this behind me. Surgery isn?t scheduled till 2:30, I don?t go in to 1:00. I?m hungry and miss my coffee!
Over the last couple of days I?ve cruised a couple of ideas.
Strut rod bushings. Someone said they interchange with the early mustang pieces. If so, there are a few places that I have seen making pieces for the early Mustangs. Global West, TCP, Or these, all seem to cost about the same.
http://www.streetortrack.com/Street-or-Track-Adjustable-Strut-Rods-pr-16135.html
This second set from TCP is awesome and rebuildable.
http://totalcontrolproducts.com/download/datasheets/STRD_DS_WEB.pdf
I question their use however as the load is reversed from the designed use. Mustang Bushings are being pulled and AMC is in compression.
Granted the solid rod ends will likely not be for everyone, but it is an alternative to 30 year old rubber or crappy aftermarket bushings.
The October issue of Car Craft has a nice gauge retrofit article on the CC rambler. It?s go me thinking, someday I may pursue this as I have several extra dash panels to work with :]
Back to me, 1 hour of surgery to have the pin put in. No lifting anything till the surgeon releases me to do so. If all goes well and I heal up in a week or two he will release me to return to light duty at work. The in 6-8 weeks I will have to go back and have the pin pulled, Wonderfull.
Enough for now,
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:24:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Diary of a crippled white man III
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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" From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
"
"
" Strut rod bushings. Someone said they interchange with the early
" mustang pieces. If so, there are a few places that I have seen making
" pieces for the early Mustangs. Global West, TCP, Or these, all seem
" to cost about the same.
"
" http://www.streetortrack.com/Street-or-Track-Adjustable-Strut-Rods-pr-16135.html
"
" This second set from TCP is awesome and rebuildable.
"
" http://totalcontrolproducts.com/download/datasheets/STRD_DS_WEB.pdf
"
" I question their use however as the load is reversed from the
" designed use. Mustang Bushings are being pulled and AMC is in
" compression.
i don't think this is true. the ford strut rod is in tension instead
of compression, but the front of the ford bushing should be compressed
just like the front of the amc bushing.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 8:35:50 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Diary of a crippled white man III
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <29564595.1156260950803.JavaMail.root@web28>
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Anyway you look at it the TPS design will be backwards from its designed mount if you install it in the AMC.
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Sandwich Maker <adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> " From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> "
> "
> " Strut rod bushings. Someone said they interchange with the early
> " mustang pieces. If so, there are a few places that I have seen making
> " pieces for the early Mustangs. Global West, TCP, Or these, all seem
> " to cost about the same.
> "
> " http://www.streetortrack.com/Street-or-Track-Adjustable-Strut-Rods-pr-16135.html
> "
> " This second set from TCP is awesome and rebuildable.
> "
> " http://totalcontrolproducts.com/download/datasheets/STRD_DS_WEB.pdf
> "
> " I question their use however as the load is reversed from the
> " designed use. Mustang Bushings are being pulled and AMC is in
> " compression.
>
> i don't think this is true. the ford strut rod is in tension instead
> of compression, but the front of the ford bushing should be compressed
> just like the front of the amc bushing.
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Andrew Hay the genius nature
> internet rambler is to see what all have seen
> adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:40:57 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Strut Rod Bushings Revisited Ford/AMC
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SNIP
Someone said they interchange with the early mustang pieces.
SNIP
I t was I. I do believe. The instruction set that I have for the 2
piece set give both AMC and Ford Installation information leading one to
believe that the same part is used for Ford and AMC. However the line
diagram supplied for installation does not account for the compression
vs tension installation.
SNIP
I question their use however as the load is reversed from the designed
use. Mustang Bushings are being pulled and AMC is in compression.
i don't think this is true. the Ford strut rod is in tension instead of
compression, but the front of the Ford bushing should be compressed just
like the front of the amc bushing.
SNIP
As the strut rod pivots at the bushing to allow for lower control arm
movement, does this mean that the pregnant side of the large washers
face forward, towards the rear or does one face forward and the other
towards the rear and if so which one. Also which way would the bushing
install in the hole in the strut rod mount?
The line drawing on the instruction sheet seems to indicate that the
installation drawn is the Ford application.
The referenced URL's seem to indicate that the part is a complete strut
rod substitution. While the somewhat trick bushing looks interesting the
whole strut rod most probably will not work.
John.
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 11:16:26 -0700
From: "Dan Curtis" <d.curtis@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 65 "Prototype"
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Well some of the nonsense and hype about the car being a prototype is
working in that the auction is now up to $12K with 5 days left to go.
With similar instances of this kind of hooey always seeming to swirl around
AMC cars in one form or another, derived from some knucklehead that knows
enough about AMCs to be dangerous but not enough to realize that AMC factory
records were very "relaxed" and not always terribly accurate, it's no wonder
our favorite vintage auto company is not generally supported by more classic
car enthusiasts.
On the other hand, it is a really nice vintage convertible so hopefully the
eventual buyer will own it because he or she likes it not because it is a
one of prototype which it clearly is not.
Regards,
Dan Curtis
d.curtis@xxxxxxx
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:00:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Spring perch plates...
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, William Renshaw wrote:
> Anyone here have a good pair of spring perch plates for a rear sway bar?
> They mount between the leaf spring and the lower shock mount. I know that I
> can have a set made, but it might be cheaper in the long run to try to find
> an O.E.M. set.
> Thanks in advance and any responce is greatly appreiciated.
The one with the ear and stud for the shock? If so, on small
cars 70-up there are differences. The early (70 hornet) part is
a big fat flat 3/8" plate of steel. 73 and later (no data) have
a much thinner steel part, with the edges turned up to stiffen.
It's a lot weaker, and deflects a lot when U-bolts tightened and
has a tendency to be found cracked. The difference is weight,
I can't believe would be more than a pound per side.
I have no spares, as our 72 Hornet sheared off a shock mount
(wrong shocks? who knows) and it ate the spares.
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:05:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMCer's Opinions: Survivor/Vintage vs.
Restored
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, jackbarncord@xxxxxxx wrote:
> I picked up my girlfriend on Friday night, it was summer the year of our Lord 1973. What to do, what to do? Go cruising like most other Friday nights and end up at our usual make out spot? Hey, I have an idea, lets take the Hornet down to the shop, pull the engine and clean the engine compartment! You ready to get dirty? She agreed and sat patiently on the parts counter while I pulled out the 304 w/Ford FMX attached. I cleaned the engine/trans while she cleaned the compartment. We took a couple breaks, but I had her home by midnight and the Hornet had a sparkling engine, fresh coat of satin black where I thought it looked best and the engine compartment hadn't been that clean since I had purchased the car.
And you didn't marry her on the spot?
> I haven't done much on the Spirit since last report. I did manage to install a new transmission mount, not only was it broke, but the top bolts were gone and I discovered that the carbon canister connections are gone, rotted right off. The more I look at that mass of vacuum lines, half cut, one fourth of those are open, another fourth are plugged with golf tees and the balance are hook to something, right or wrong I'm starting to consider replacement of the fuel system to something simpler. Comments, suggestions or condemnations welcome.
All that smog crap can be made to work. Probably it's a matter
of hoses (rotting and/or misrouted). EGRs go bad, gulp valves
die, AIR pumps freeze if non-rotated. The rest of it is pretty
reliable.
There are many subtle issues if you remove it, but you could
easily figure them out.
I used to rip smog stuff out, but no longer (in fact I plan on
hookin up the 83 EGR system in my 70 hornet) (just gotta get
to it this fall :-).
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:11:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Diary of a crippled white man III
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 12:18:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Strut Rod Bushings Revisited Ford/AMC
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, John Elle wrote:
> As the strut rod pivots at the bushing to allow for lower control arm
> movement, does this mean that the pregnant side of the large washers
> face forward, towards the rear or does one face forward and the other
> towards the rear and if so which one. Also which way would the bushing
> install in the hole in the strut rod mount?
> The line drawing on the instruction sheet seems to indicate that the
> installation drawn is the Ford application.
http://wps.com/AMC/Strut-bushing-modern/index.html
It depends on the bushing type. The 63-64 one piece, concave
forward, away from rubber; the bushing was designed to be
deformed sideways.
Most later ones, concave towards rubber, apparently to distribute
force onto maximum cushion area. Also work-heats cheap rubber
and makes them collapse.
Nearly all have the concave-away-from-rubber on the back side. I did
watch cushion deformation on the back side by partially assembling
the lower arm & strut and raising and lowering and watching
everything move.
If it's just a truncated-cone aftermarket bushing, I'd put it
concave-to-rubber in front, concave-away on rear.
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:50:12 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] FART CAN EXHAUST
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Even considering some stainless steel COFFEE CAN
(GASP!), but not too hard!
THanks for your help!
Jesse
=== ===
my personal favorite are late model
Mustang muffs - stockers.
"they're designed to sound right"
Brien Tourville
NEW YORK
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