>> He's probably confusing it with the Chev 230. << Or with the Studebaker 230, http://misheli.image.pbase.com/v3/30/250930/1/44975333.Studebaker230.jpg with the "Supersonic" 230, http://www.kfnut.com/1951models/page7.html (aka the AMC Tornado 230), http://home.off-road.com/~jseries/kaisereng.html or with the Chrysler 230? Dodge the dummies! Start your own engine! It's not hard to "Get-Away" from all the car idiots out there. READ! http://www.tocmp.com/brochures/Dodge/1955/pages/1955%20Dodge-07_jpg.htm >> give him some literature indicating that the 232 was made by AMC not GM << Or give him a thumbs-up if he says the 232 was made by Studebaker also. http://www.seattlesdc.hypermart.net/Odd3.JPG >> the worlds dirtiest foundry. My understanding Chrysler closed it down after buying AMC and there are still worker lawsuit on health issues on going. << While Holmes was 100% acquired by AMC in 1970 (the year before it bought Canadian Fabricated Products, in Stratford, to make interior trim, too), but before both quarter-interest or Chapin's full purchase, the facility was known for asbestos pollution --- almost seven THOUSAND times what is legal today. It came to be called the most dangerous worksite in Canada due to its years as an -insulation- maker. That situation had been seen as early as 1958, but AMC, like most major manufacturers of its era, saw neither health nor environmental consequences in keeping the status quo. http://www.ohcow.on.ca/clinics/sarnia/docs/IJOEH_Holmes.pdf >> I'll be home from Afghanistan sometime in the 15-20 September timeframe. if there is a show within a 3-4 hour drive of Dover I'd surely like to know << Frank, you missed the Newark DE (the Grand National, not a Regional) show by a week or two; you would miss the Chilson AMC family reunion if one were held in 2006 around Labor Day, and you even missed one of the world's finest shows (that I, too, missed during my purposely "no-show" summer that's almost gone...), http://retro-classics-meets-barock.de/2006_bildergalerie.html and just about everyone will miss a big blowout weekend of car shows http://pebblebeachconcours.net/ http://www.concorso.com/ and auctions, one with a car for AMC lovers to love, http://www.russoandsteele.com/collector_car/1974_amc_amx/6553.html and races, where AMC lovers'll love to see AMCs run, http://www.montereyhistoric.com/event/participate.html alone or in groups (like 6A), but you'll be back in time for four AACA shows not far from Dover: 9/21 Bay Country Region Easton DE 9/21 Tri Country Region Broadway VA 9/21 Harford Region Bel Air MD 9/28 Northern Neck Region Warsaw VA and a show for mudders and chocoholics: 10/4 Fall Eastern Division Hershey PA where the AACA Library & Research Center's 25th Anniversary will also be celebrated with tours and extended hours 10/2-6. Take paper and pencil. Finally, if you think all NYC cars are painted either black or yellow, I think you may want to Rambler all the way up to Central Park. A "first" for the Big Apple --- and prettier than gates draped with orange cloth. http://www.newyorkcityconcoursdelegance.com/ A comment; feel free to ignore: Since Super Rod was conceived as a "class act" --- a step above several long-established titles in its niche, it shouldn't confuse Rambler with Studebaker or Chevrolet with Ford --- but in this age when no one cares about the difference between "grille" and "grill" or when "The New York Times" and "The New Yorker" sometimes don't care whether subjects agree with verbs, it's not too surprising. America is dumb today; Automotive America is dumber. It's sad, but it's all around us. It won't improve 'til we set higher standards for our institutions, citizens, and selves. Until we demand accountability of our Presidents, Congresses, all state and local governments, and of the AFL-CIO, AFSME, NEA and more, America will become dumber, poorer, and sadder; and so, sadly, less than it was. A puzzle; feel free to respond: While the Nash Ambassador was called the Kenosha Cadillac, the first car on the AMC family tree to copy an "exclusive" of Cadillac was neither a Nash nor an Ambassador. What and when? _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or go to http://www.amc-list.com