>> one nit though: both r12 and r134a are 'freon', a dupont umbrella trademark for fluorinated hydrocarbon refrigerants. << Comb more deeply to find more nits: 12 is a Freon; 134a is a Suva. http://www.dupont.com/suva/emea/products/technical/thermoprop.html The first time Mr. Doc asked about AMC ownership, an answer was posted; this repetition of the 4/27/06 response is short and sweet: '67 Ambassador DPL convertible, '68 Rebel 550 convertible, '69 AMX [BBG], '71 Ambassador Brougham wagon, '75 Matador Brougham [Cassini], '79 Spirit DL liftback, and '83 Eagle [Sport] wagon. Today's total is two; tomorrow's AMC list may be none. We're not the same AMC fans that we were at age 18 or even at 30. But then, tomorrow's American cars may not be by American motors either http://www.zhonghuacar.com/junjie/default.htm because an America of AMC is gone and the only constant left is change. Muscle car eras will come and go and the compact car chronicles will be told and retold. Blower Duesies will be built by BMW and Ramblers will be built in Iran by Nissan. AMC autos will be bits of American history and curiosities to cluck over at old car shows. AMC as a business will continue: parts made for replacement will be bought, words keyed up for profit will be sold, and family will gather for occasional postmortems. AMC engines will keep running, just like Elcars with rebuilt Swan carbs http://www.thecarburetorshop.com/PkitE.htm and AMC power will seem just right for whoever still drives an AMC, but, like an Indy race car that, in 80 years, has become virtually forgotten, http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afbeelding:John_Duff_Elcar_Special_1926.jpg despite having a name that, like Nash/Rambler/AMC, once was well known, http://www.klassikot.net/images/elcar1.jpg it is not worthy of Googling now (Google "Elcar" yourself), it survives as a book about yet another make that once "could compete" like AMC did. http://tinyurl.com/nz76o Someday, whoever still enjoys AMC might buy a big book from McFarland or Bentley and see how big and significant the "forgotten line" of AMC was. If it won't be a Mr./Ms./Dr. not reading now, it may be your children. Sadly, unless they hold cards in some all-American branch libraries, the access to that history won't be free. It's sad when "Rambler Mentality" leads to self-defeat. AMC itself shot its chances for success during 33 years; AMC clubs lobbed shots over 20; AMC lists shot their contributors down in the online decade, and AMC fans shot themselves in the feet with leaden regularity. If "SST" did not mean "Supersonic Transport" to AMC, "Shooting For Stars" was not a concept car AMC hobbyists cared to build. Seeing AMC in the collectible car stars was a concept beyond AMC dreams. Some things have promising beginnings; some things dwindle to sad ends. So it's said: "There never was a thing so sad as 'It might have been.'" It's June, so I've almost made it: something written every time I read. Three more weeks to your freedom. Yahoo! _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or go to http://www.amc-list.com