" From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> " " I have converted all of my freon A/C automotive units to R134. Here is " the differences that I have noticed. " When the outside temperature gets over 95 degrees the 134 units just " keep right on cooling. At 100 degrees the Freon units were straining " their little poopers to blow cold air. At 110 degrees the exact same " unit will blow ice cold using 134. There will be a tendency at a stop " light for the air temperature to get warmer but as soon as the car is " under motion the air temperature begins to drop again. I have no problem " using 134 and have found on the whole it cools better than freon. " " SNIP " you can't just empty the r12 and recharge with r134, " SNIP " Sonofagun, I did not know that! 'Cause that is exactly what I do! Well " actually about 4 years ago that was the urban legend involved as freon " started to disappear but in this area there are a whole lot of extremely " knowledgeable A/C guys that deal with automotive A/C quite regularly. well, i learned something in all this discussion. one nit though: both r12 and r134a are 'freon', a dupont umbrella trademark for fluorinated hydrocarbon refrigerants. there are many others too. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or go to http://www.amc-list.com