John and all Yust a few comments that periodically flash into mind SNIP There's no dispute about sources of inspiration, SNIP Weymann American Body Co. 1927-35, Indianapolis, Indiana, A subsidiary of the f French firm which patented a flexible fabric-covered body. <http://www.bellesdantan.com/Stutz/Pages/Stutz06.htm> http://www.bellesdantan.com/Stutz/Pages/Stutz06.htm http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/w/weymann/weymann.htm One would be surprised to find that the French have contributed more to the automotive world than Renaults, instant rust and poor management. After all, AMC did have a working relationship with the French back before or at least through the '60's and beyond, but then again wasn't the '60's known for hallucinogenic episodes? Or Charlie Nash and Walter P Chrysler seemed to run across one another through out their automotive lives and History. They lived and produced through the period of Classics with cars that aped the styling leadership led by the incomparable Duesenberg with senior Chryslers and Nashes that were every bit as good looking. http://www.automotive-art.com/sub_category.asp?category=Classic+Cars <http://www.automotive-art.com/sub_category.asp?category=Classic+Cars&su bcategory=Duesenberg> &subcategory=Duesenberg http://www.hubcapcafe.com/ocs/pages01/chry3102.htm http://www.nashcarclub.org/nccaphot/thirty/32_998.html Of course one could always argue the input from various talented people and assorted committees as to who influenced whom and where did the ideas come from but if you look ad the Chrysler Thunderbolt of 1940/41 http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1941/thunderbolt/ and the much maligned styling of the Bath Tub Nash of 1949 the only question that seems to be un-answered is where are the front fender skirts and who really did the design. http://php.iupui.edu/~harrold/nash/50nash.html But the state of the hobby is in a precarious position, where if anywhere will the next hobbyists come from and what will they collect and where will they get the parts and due mainly to the inability of the caretakers of the hobby today to communicate to each other and those around them what will those hobbyists be trying to salvage and restore. It was not too long ago the number of VW Beatles on the road could not be counted, the total sales for them was huge. I don't know what it is around your house but this year I saw 5 of them so far. I have only seen two AMC's on the road and one of them was mine. The money people are willing to pay for a prime example of a Pacer is pathetic, yet the market is supposedly hot at the moment. Are we hobbyists as a group destined to see the following as the final disposition of our beloved quirky cars? http://www.photojournalistas.com/Sept-Oct_2002/Broken_Down_Heros/Photo_P ages/1949_Nash_Ambassador.html SNIP If you don't drive a real Rambler, drive a Rave Raffle. SNIP I don't have a Raffle, but I times I feel the need to drive off in a Blue Funk! http://home.att.net/~jmsmith45/funk.htm The following is recognized as the philosophical shift in advertising and marketing that began to sell the aura of automobile owner ship. SOMEWHERE west of Laramie there's a bronco-busting girl who knows what I'm talking about. "She can tell what a sassy pony, that's a cross between greased lighting and the place where it hits, can do with eleven hundred pounds of steel and action when he's going high, wide and handsome. "The truth is-the Playboy was built for her. "Built for the lass whose, face is brown with the sun when the day is done of revel and romp and race. "She loves the cross of the wild and the tame. "There's a savor of links about that car-of laughter and lilt and light-a hint of old loves-and saddle and quirt. It's a brawny thing - yet a graceful thing for the sweep o' the Avenue. "Step into the Playboy when the hour grows dull with things gone dead and stale. "Then start for the land of real living with the spirit of the lass who rides, lean and rangy, into the red horizon of a Wyoming twilight." <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Motor_Car_Company> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Motor_Car_Company Sloanism, an advertising term from the General specialized in that philosophy and GM specialized in selling cars world wide and at one time was better than 5% of this nation's gross national product. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20000320/kitman/8 They taught the world to sell cars and then forgot the message. Lately they have developed the philosophy of safety and closing plants to decrease production volume and laying off employees to decrease their pay roles. Is it possible that the Aura of Safety is not necessarily producing environment required to draw people into the show room? There are some left I see, some even have cars in them. http://www.stopsuvs.org/html/safety.htm ZOOM! ZOOM! I recently had need for a replacement Van. I had a budget that I carried to a large new car dealer and presented to a salesman. Looking of course for a used van. I was shown cars $2000 to $3000 over my budget, I left. It took me 3 weeks to find a really nice Town and Country, under my budget, paid for and down the road I went from some where else. This was not my loss. This week end I got a promotion card from this same dealer. Come look! Take a drive! Purchase not required! So I went, looked and took a drive. Entered the lottery and left after showing no interest to the low ball deal and the 7 years of easy to make back breaking payments that I would be upside down with for 5 years. I even got a phone call from the sales manager wanting to know why I did not snap up this terrific deal. He was not happy when I told him why. He presented the wrong aura, It's late, I'm tired, Lemme see, where is my Funk parked. John. _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or go to http://www.amc-list.com