AMC-List Digest, Vol 4, Issue 48
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AMC-List Digest, Vol 4, Issue 48
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Innovation & The Rambler Mentality (Mark Price)
2. Platinum Spark Plugs (David Crooks)
3. FW: AMC List Digest Turkery Rod Run (farna@xxxxxxx)
4. Aluminum Radiator intrest needed (Nick ALFANO)
5. Plugs (JOE FULTON)
6. Re: my 62 classic project (Tom Jennings)
7. Marlin site (Wayne E LaMothe)
8. '06 AMC NATIONALS CAR SHOW CLASSES (Jock J Jocewicz)
9. Re: Marlin site (Wayne E LaMothe)
10. Original MC Lid needed for 71 Javelin AMX (Thomas, Jeff)
11. Re: my 62 classic project (50-63 front suspension)
(francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
12. AMC movie spotting (Jim Blair)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 5:37:29 -0700
From: Mark Price <markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Innovation & The Rambler Mentality
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Cc: Jock J Jocewicz <namdra@xxxxxxxx>
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I usually spray my grill with some Vegetable oil spray. It helps keep the food from sticking, plus you get that cool flame thing going if you spray directly down into the grill! :]
--
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Jock J Jocewicz <namdra@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Doc,
> I hope you used high temperature paint on your grill. You wouldn't want
> paint to adhere to your brats, steaks, corn on the cob, etc,
>
> On Sun, 21 May 2006 18:01:13 -0400 AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
> writes:
> > The flat black is painted on the grill, the areas to be painted
> > silver
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:27:29 -0400
From: David Crooks <david.crooks@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Platinum Spark Plugs
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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The question about Platinum plugs came up on a while ago on an Auto talk
show I saw, and the mechanics there said that one of the main reasons
for their development was the longer life you get from them. They're
needed for a transverse mounted V engine, where it's almost impossible
to get at the back row of plugs....
As for multi-electrode plugs, they're not new, just re-discovered. A
buddy of mine used to have an old Alfa that used them. If I recall
correctly, they were needed to shelter the spark in a high turbulence
head design.
Cheers,
Dave
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:49:45 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] FW: AMC List Digest Turkery Rod Run
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC-List)
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<052220061549.13899.4471DD9300016A970000364B21603759640E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
Anyone know anything about this? If so please contact Shari and Tom!
--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Independent
Magazine" (AIM)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
(free download available!)
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From: "Tom Burgard" <tburgard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <amc-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: AMC List Digest Turkery Rod Run
Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 23:51:02 +0000
> Hi, my name is Shari Burgard, my husband Tom and myself are members of Citurs
> County Cruisers we have a 69 AMX. I just registered for the Turkey Rod Run a
> few days ago and am now trying to get a space with the club. Our friends, Ted
> and Louise Williams are also members, they have a 68 California Special Mustang,
> they have a spot on the playground with the club. The four of us are going over
> together and are staying the 3 days together and I would love to be able to park
> together in the playground with the club. Please let me know if we could have a
> spot and park with our friends. Thank you so much for your help.
>
> Tom and Shari Burgard
> Cell # 352-302-0275
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:04:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Aluminum Radiator intrest needed
To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I am looking for interest in an aluminum radiator for
AMCs. This is not an inexpensive venture so I will
most likely be looking for orders prior to getting the
tooling for the main canisters design. Right now I am
just looking to see if there is a market out there for
them. I would first start with 68-74 Javelin and
AMXs. They will be all aluminum and offered in
standard finish non-trans cooler, standard finish with
trans cooler and also a polished version of each. The
cooling capacity will be 30% better than a 4 core
Blackstone radiator and much more than our stock 2 and
3 core factory units. They will be made specifically
for AMCs and not some modified other brand that was
made to fit. Inlet and outlet holes will be in the
stock location so you can use your existing hoses. I
might also have an optional overflow unit available.
I haven't worked out all the costs yet but I am
shooting for prices to start around the $250-300 mark
which is about what it costs to have a copper radiator
re-cored these days plus the will look great under the
hood. I know a guy who just spent $2000 having one
custom built and installed in his 74 AMX. Now he also
had other things to work around because of having a
871 BDS blower on his engine but still, that is a lot
of money.
Thanks,
Nick Alfano
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-942-8271 after 6pm central and weekends
262-308-1302
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:13:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Plugs
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FYI multi-electrode plugs (usually four electrodes)
are commonly used in light aircraft Lycoming and
Continental engines. In those engines it may have
something to do with the propensity for lead fouling.
Lead is still used in avgas and when one of the
electrode gaps gets impaired by lead salts, one or
more of the others can continue to develop spark. Yes
I know only one spark can be generated at any give
firing impulse.
Also, light aircraft engines typically have dual
ignition systems for reliability (like the old Nashes)
but the dual spark event definitely develops more
power from the engine.
Perhaps the next thing we'll see in cars, is a return
to dual ignition along with multiple intake and
exhaust valves we're seeing now.
Fine wire plugs are also used as an option in
aviation. These are generally platinum coated.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 09:19:48 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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On Mon, 2006-05-22 at 00:15, francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> The 62 suspension
> is basically the same as the 63. Go to www.wps.com and check out the
> Rambler links, one has good photos of the 63 suspension out of the car.
It's not well indexed from the top level, here's th elink to the
suspension page:
http://wps.com/AMC/Front-suspension/index.html
A one-piece upper A-arm is probably more rigid than the early
suspensions, if you're subjecting it to severe stresses, like
professional road racing, but that's just a guess; and if you're doing
that, chassis stiffness and other issues will appear at the same time.
People who slag this suspension as generally "no good" simply don't know
what they are talking about. It's a fine design, if a bit old-fashioned,
40+ years later. It's got a lot of fail-safe subtleties in it as do more
modern cars; it just has too many parts (read: labor costs) for modern
tastes.
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:41:26 -0400
From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Marlin site
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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I know the Marlin website went down a while ago. Does anyone know if it
has be reincarnated somewhere? Did the whole club bite the dust?
Wayne
Wayne & Lisa (Skeezix), Bolton Landing, NY,
http://www.superglider.thinkhost.com/
AMO#8454, 83 Eagle Limited Wagon, 82 SX/4, 258 auto
69 Ambo coupe, 401, M12, 66 Ambo 990 Wagon, 327,PW,PB,PS,posi,AM/FM,AC
88 Jeep J10 360, auto- a Real truck
2001 Cherokee, 2000 Chrysler Cirrus (both hers)
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:45:48 -0500
From: Jock J Jocewicz <namdra@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] '06 AMC NATIONALS CAR SHOW CLASSES
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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CAR SHOW CLASSES - The following will be the car show classes for the ?06
AMC NATIONALS:
CLASS 1 - Stock 68 AMX CLASS 2 - Non-Stock 68 AMX
CLASS 3 - Stock 69 AMX CLASS 4 - Non-Stock 69 AMX
CLASS 5 - Stock 70 AMX CLASS 6 - Non-Stock 70 AMX
CLASS 7 - Stock 68-70 Javelin CLASS 8 - Non-Stock 68-70 Javelin
CLASS 9 - Stock 71-74 Javelin CLASS 10 - Non-Stock 71-74 Javelin
(5)
CLASS 11 - Stock 71-74 Javelin/AMX CLASS 12 - Non-Stock
71-74 Javelin/AMX
CLASS 13 - All Mark Donohue & T/A Javelins CLASS 14 - Stock 64up
Ramblers
CLASS 15 - Non-Stock 64 Ramblers CLASS 16 - Stock 67up
Rebel, Matador & Ambassadors
CLASS 17 - Non-Stock 67up Rebel, Matador CLASS 18 - Stock Gremlin,
Spirit & Pacer & Ambassador
CLASS 19 - Non-Stock Gremlin, Spirit & Pacer CLASS 20 - Stock Hornet
& Concord
CLASS 21 - Non-Stock Hornet & Concord CLASS 22 - Stock
Hornet/AMX, Concord/AMX & Spirit/AMX
CLASS 23 - Non-Stock Hornet/AMX, CLASS 24 - Stock
Pre-67 AMC?S not listed in any
Concord/AMX & Spirit/AMX
other class & all Nashes.
CLASS 25 - Non-Stock Pre-67 AMC?s not listed CLASS 26 - Stock
AMC/Jeep & AMC/Jeep trucks.
in any other class & all Nashes.
CLASS 27 - Non-Stock AMC/Jeep & AMC/Jeep CLASS 28 - All
Alliance & Encore
trucks
CLASS 29 - ALL SC/Ramblers CLASS 30 -
ALL SC/360 Hornet
CLASS 31 - All Rebel Machine CLASS 32
- All SS/AMX & AMX/3
CLASS 33 - All Eagle CLASS
34 - Unfinished & Non-AMC powered
AMC?s & Jeeps
CLASS 35 - All race cars (those cars that race and are not licensed for
the street)
Jock Jocewicz - President/Editor NAMDRA NAMDRA@xxxxxxxx
8537 Antioch Rd., Salem, WI 53168 (262) 843-4326
JOIN NAMDRA, the best AMC club around!!!
'06 AMC NATIONALS - SEP. 14-16, 2006 - CORDOVA DRAGWAY PARK, CORDOVA, IL
AMO#19, NAMDRA#46, AMCRC#974, NHRA#41915, IHRA#6766
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:00:32 -0400
From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Marlin site
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060522.160032.1796.1.superglider@xxxxxxxx>
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hey, found the new one finally.
http://marlinautoclub.com/
On Mon, 22 May 2006 15:41:26 -0400 Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
writes:
>
> I know the Marlin website went down a while ago. Does anyone know
> if it
> has be reincarnated somewhere? Did the whole club bite the dust?
>
> Wayne
> Wayne & Lisa (Skeezix), Bolton Landing, NY,
> http://www.superglider.thinkhost.com/
> AMO#8454, 83 Eagle Limited Wagon, 82 SX/4, 258 auto
> 69 Ambo coupe, 401, M12, 66 Ambo 990 Wagon,
> 327,PW,PB,PS,posi,AM/FM,AC
> 88 Jeep J10 360, auto- a Real truck
> 2001 Cherokee, 2000 Chrysler Cirrus (both hers)
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:57:33 -0400
From: "Thomas, Jeff" <jeff.thomas@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Original MC Lid needed for 71 Javelin AMX
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hello AMC parts dogs,
I am looking for an original master cyclinder lid for my 71 Javelin AMX.
The stamp on the lid reads USE ONLY 8991860 BRAKE FLUID. Please let me
know if anyone has a lid like this sitting around and would like to sell
it.
Anyone with a 71 Javelin AMX please feel free to write/send pictures of
your car. I'm about to turn the key on this long neglected car for the
first time since 1986. Electric Blue with high compression (Dec 70)
heads, go pack, a/c, 3:54 gears, Machine wheels and T-10 four speed.
Jeffrey Thomas
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 03:44:18 -0000
From: <francis.swygert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] my 62 classic project (50-63 front suspension)
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Tom Jennings wrote: "People who slag this suspension as generally "no
good" simply don't know what they are talking about. It's a fine design,
if a bit old-fashioned, 40+ years later. It's got a lot of fail-safe
subtleties in it as do more modern cars; it just has too many parts
(read: labor costs) for modern tastes. "
Just to clarify, that's mainly to many parts/labor costs for PRODUCTION.
The upper assembly on the old cars consists of two arms with bushings,
the trunnion itself, trunnion bushings which screw onto the trunnion and
into the arms, large o-rings that serve as seals for the trunnion
bushings, a thrust bearing, spring seat tower, bolt to hold the arms
together, a bumper mount/spacer that goes on that bolt and between the
arms, and the rubber bumper (that limits downward suspension travel).
Then this all has to be assembled into one unit. It's not that hard, but
takes time. For production that can be costly. Repair costs go up when
someone unfamiliar with the design has to study it and take the time to
figure it out as they go.
In contrast, the single arm design has one large A-arm (dies cost more,
but once made part doesn't cost much more than the two arms) with two
bushings, the ball joint, and a pivoting spring seat. Costs less to
manufacture, and less to install. It's a bit easier to repair, but not
really cheaper assuming you're replacing the ball joints, bushings, and
spring seat pivot. The trunnion is pretty simple and easy but takes a
little more time. With the later design taking the pivoting spring seat
apart and reassembling with a new bushing takes more time than replacing
the trunnion with all those parts -- at least most of the time. It
depends on how badly worn the pivot is.
Production costs drives more changes to cars than real improvements.
Theoretically efficiencies in production should improve quality due
mainly to fewer possible mistakes, but that's a fallacy in the real
world. Take McPherson struts, for instance. There is no control over
camber changes at all, and the wheel changes camber as it moves up and
down in a shallow arc, but not much. It's cheaper to produce as a unit
and install the same way though (a true McPherson strut with integral
shock/spring/spindle, not the many modifications such as the Mustand and
Camaro, and some Japanese cars that simply replace the spring and shock
with a strut, but are multi link suspensions). The old Rambler
suspension is better in terms of handling and ride once the spring rates
are tuned to modern conditions. Camber changes occur, but in a
controlled manner, and the suspension can be adjusted much more, though
caster is limited in the 50-61 big car design (-63 small cars), a bit
less limited in the 63-69 design when adjustable strut rods are used.
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 22:32:05 -0700
From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] AMC movie spotting
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Watching a long and mixed feelings movie (from depression to laughter about
the dark humour) called "Trees Lounge and I see several AMCs, including a
dead ringer for the '77 AMX I used to have!
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