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Re: Weathstripping/gaskets 65 Marlin (Sandwich Maker) 12. Re: Afghanistan! (msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx) 13. Big bads (Mahoney, John) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 08:04:06 -0400 From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC) Subject: [AMC-List] My Single Stage Acrylic Enamel Paint Restoration Project To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx, amc_club_of_socal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, MacsOrphanCarGroup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, AmericanMotorsModelbuilders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <13548-4469BFB6-1059@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII The original paint on my orange Hornet is in really good shape and polished out like new. I have used acrylic enamel since the early 70's. My preference was Dupont Centari but not being able to get it I now use Sherman Williams acrylic enamel. My quarter window frames need to be painted and the Sherman Williams paint matched out of the can almost perfect. Unfortunately I have a few issues from past people buffing the car and rubbing the paint through in a few places like the hood and the drivers door has been dented and creased too. Luckily I have a spare undamaged door and hood the same orange as the car I plan to polish and install. I have 2 NOS front fenders to paint and install. The factory pin stripe has been polished off in quite a few spots so I will re-stripe that too. The 77 AMX flairs will be striped and primed with SEM plastic bumper primer. I will paint them with the Sherman Williams orange adding Morton's Impact 200 flexible additive to it. I used this product on the flairs I painted in 1979 on my yellow car and they have not cracked or pealed after all these years. Even though I am not a restorer I will keep as much of the original paint as possible since it is in such nice shape. Everything will match almost perfect but it will not be a dream car garage paint job. But everything including the price of the new fenders, the AMX flairs, rear window louver and all the paint work should only cost me 1,000$ installed. Oh the initial professional polishing out of the car cost me 220$. So with other odds and ends I have my affordable version of the dream car garages paint job for1,800$ that also includes the price of the new hood and undamaged door. It won't be a perfect car but it will be one of the nicest 85% original Hornets survivors you will ever see. :-) "Doc" ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:00:35 -0400 (EDT) From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Corrections to: AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic MOPAR A/B donor-8 3/4 To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <200605161300.k4GD0ZZ07629@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> " From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> " " O.K., a few more moments was spent in researching my files and this is " what I came up with for what ever it is worth. " " SNIP " but the last year a-bodies had the 8 3/4" was '71. " SNIP " " Usage: Heavy Duty, Built: 57-74, A-Body: 66-72, B-Body: 62-74, E-Body: " 70-74 <grumble> ok, i was off by a year... ;^/ " Rear Axle Installation Dimensions " A-Body '60-76 track 55.56" Perches C-C 43" " B Body '62-70 track 59.20" Perches C-C 44" " B Body '71-79, R-Body '79-81 Track 63.4" Perches C-C 47.3" " E-Body '70-74 Track 60.70" Perches C-C 46" " Note these are Chrysler's Spec. Actual parts may differ and often do! " (is that really a surprise?) this is going into my permanent file... " All 8 ¾ axles built for A bodies carry a small-bolt 4" lug pattern and " small 2 5/16 register flange. my napa brake book clearly shown '73-6 -disk-brake-only- a-bodies already having 5 x 4 1/2", and lists the same rotors and drums as aspens, coronets, chargers, diplomats, miradas... and btw the drums are 10 x 2.5". the drum-only and earlier disk brake a-bodies are shown as 5 x 4". " This can be changed to the 4 ½ " pattern by swapping in axle shafts with " hubs in the larger pattern. Then B-body 10 or 11 inch brakes bolt up to " the A-Body housing and fit the 2 13/16" registers on the new axles. This " gives the option of using standard AMC wheels on this axle. certainly the bolt circle can be changed by swapping shafts, and if you were going to do this with an 8 1/4" rear i'd suggest replacing the diff with a '95-up and going from 27 to 29 splines. i don't know if you have to change bearings or seals as well, but i suspect not, ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 07:16:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jesse <j2sax@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] Events this Summer? To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <20060516141615.11058.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 So now I have a car worthy of driving to a show... where are they? THanks, Jesse __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:37:39 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Flywheel Ring Gear To: amc-list@xxxxxxx Message-ID: <BAY114-F2897B2397CBD79846D5791ACA00@xxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed It does appear they are the same. I chose 2 fairly dissimilar rigs to compare and the part number was the same, BUT is the part number correct? Those with AMC parts books will know for sure! 87 Cherokee 4.0 ring gear: ATP Part # ZA509 M.T. {RIng Gear Outer Diameter=13.830" Inner Diameter 12.820" Pitch=12/14 Width=.420" Teeth=164 Chamfer=NONE / OE# 3179741} 77 Cherokee 4.2L ring gear: ATP Part # ZA509 M.T. & 164 Teeth {RIng Gear Outer Diameter=13.830" Inner Diameter 12.820" Pitch=12/14 Width=.420" Teeth=164 Chamfer=NONE / OE# 3179741} Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73 J4000 304/TH400/QT tow truck http://www.virtualjeep.com AMC list subscription options link http://www.amxfiles.com/amc-list/options.cfm From: EdForrest@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Flywheel Ring Gear To: amc-list@xxxxxxx Message-ID: <462.556696.3199c69c@xxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 5/14/2006 10:43:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: I'm pretty sure the tooth count is different, but it also depends on the year. Jim...will one ring gear fit on the other flywheel? Are they interchangeable? ed _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 09:42:26 -0700 From: "Jim Blair" <carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] amx disk brake kit for 62 classic To: amc-list@xxxxxxx Message-ID: <BAY114-F14C6F7B6EB3538738BD399ACA00@xxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed A: I would look into the Jeep brake conversion kits. They make them for CJs with M20 rear and FSJs with 6 lug. I was going to try the ZJ D44 kit on a Model 20 (If I ever find a complete one. Most have the one axle removed at the pick-n-pull boneyard. I figure someone has a bent tube and they keep snapping shafts because of it) From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) Subject: Re: [AMC-List] amx disk brake kit for 62 classic To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <200605141452.k4EEq0H23289@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> " From: d stohler <das24rules@xxxxxxxxx> " " also, i forgot to mention, i am having a hard time finding disk brake " kit that will go onto amc 20. ford 8.8 looks close to the right bolt " pattern. but then again so does the SMALL 9". i am in iraq right now " so its impossible for me to take measurements. just going by eye in " pics. im planning on running some 17" torque thrust wheels so i need " something that will look good peeking thru the wheels. thanks to " anyone who can shed some light on this issue for me. someone on this list has them. tsm [the streetrod manuf co] has them. ssb and probably others have kits for the jeep amc20 which should be usable with the right rotors. the amc20 housing flange pattern is the same as the ford 'small bearing' 9", 3 5/16" w x 2" h. fyi '80s jeep d44 and d35 too. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought Jim Blair, Seattle, WA '84 J10 Black Jack (getting lifted and stroked!), '73 J4000 304/TH400/QT tow truck http://www.virtualjeep.com AMC list subscription options link http://www.amxfiles.com/amc-list/options.cfm _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:32:12 -0700 (PDT) From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] Rear end in a Classic To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <20060516173212.36740.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 A few points to toss around. If you go the Chryco route and run into the odd ball threads, just knock out the offending studs and put proper ones in. If you are going Fomoco discs on the rear, go ahead and put them on the front too. use the Ford balance valve. That way you will have a common set to worry about. you are going to have to contend with the parralel arms, so might as well go ahead and stick Ford discs on. You can get real nice aftermarket upgrades too. Also remeber the Classic is a torque tube set up, so your gonna have to hang springs. Why not consider that 4-link set-up that Air Ride Tech has for the Mustang.....Russ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 09:41:10 -0400 (EDT) From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Afghanistan! To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <200605141341.k4EDfAS21852@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> " From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx> " " Well, I made it! Been here a couple days now. If anyone sent me a " [] " it's a bother just say so! I'll get a few pics of the various AM " General prodcts driving around though... ;> speaking of which, i just heard the news that gm announced it's ending production of the hummer h1. sic transit gloria am general... ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 23:15:42 -0400 From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMX disk brake kit for 62 classic To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <ADVANCES62ednHM3SOl00000010@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain > i am looking for anyone with amx disk brakes for parts. i have a 62 > classic 2 > door i am doing a little bit of rodding out on. im not sure if they are > stock > on all amx's, but the bendix 4 piston calipers are prefered. The old Bendix four piston look a lot like new Baer and Wilwood brakes, but there are some engineering differences in the way they seal. The old Bendix are really bad about leaking and wearing the bores to an egg shape. Newer materials has something to do with wear also. It's common to bore the Bendix calipers out and install stainless steel sleeves. All rebuilt ones that you find today will be sleeved. Heat's probably the main culprit -- those things used 1/4" thick solid rotors. If you do use them, have the rotors drilled and slotted for better cooling. As John Elle mentioned, the single piston brakes are just as good or better than the old Bendix four piston. But the AMX kit you mentioned to me in an e-mail will bolt on. For those who don't know, Aero makes a modern front disc brake kit with an aluminum hub. It's a bit pricey at around $850, but all new parts and bolts on any 1950-83 AMC even though it's listed as AMX/Javelin. One of the guys on the AMC Forums (www.amcforums.com) is a dealer and has some pics up. Go to the Forum and search the brake/suspension section. > also, i forgot to mention, i am having a hard time finding disk brake > kit that > will go onto amc 20. ford 8.8 looks close to the right bolt pattern. but > then > again so does the SMALL 9" WSC Motorsports makes a rear disc kit for the AMC 20 (http://www.classicone.com/wsc/catalog/amc/amc_per1.htm). It's $759 but includes everything, even calipers with parking brake built in. You can also use one of the universal kits from Speedway (www.speedwaymotors.com). These come with weld-on caliper brackets and slip on rotors (slip on like a drum). Use GM calipers with or without parking brakes (you can use front calipers). To use these you cut the drum backing plates around the axle tube flange to retain the axle and seal. ============================================================= Posted by wixList Archiver -- http://www.amxfiles.com/wixlist ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 23:22:59 -0400 From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Afghanistan (Frank) To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <ADVANCES62BsQwY6YHk000000ea@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain On May 15, 2006 Mr. AMC wrote: > Hey Frank how long do you have to spend in that hell hole? Keep your > head down and come home safe. > "Doc" I'll be over here until late September. Not much happening, but you don't have to worry about me keeping my head down when it does! ============================================================= Posted by wixList Archiver -- http://www.amxfiles.com/wixlist ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 23:29:03 -0400 From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Flywheel Ring Gear To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <ADVANCES62idcDjoYAP000000eb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain Only the 196 and early 199/232/258 (up to 1971) had a different tooth count and diamter. The 72 and later 232/259/4.0L have the same diamtere flywheel and tooth count. The ring gears are at different locations though -- one is closer to the starter than the other. Sounds like Ed has the one that's further away and isn't getting good tooth engagement. IIRC the 232/258 ring gear is further from the starter than the 4.0L ring gear. All the small gear driven starters I've seen for these engines are basically the 4.0L starter. I'm not sure if the ring gear can be repositioned or not -- should be doable though, maybe with a new gear. On May 15, 2006 edforrest@xxxxxxx wrote: > In a message dated 5/14/2006 10:43:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > carnuck@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: > > I'm pretty sure the tooth count is different, but it also depends on the > year. > > > > > Jim...will one ring gear fit on the other flywheel? Are they > interchangeable? ed ============================================================= Posted by wixList Archiver -- http://www.amxfiles.com/wixlist ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 09:38:32 -0400 (EDT) From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Weathstripping/gaskets 65 Marlin To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <200605141338.k4EDcWW21825@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> " From: Frank Swygert <farna@xxxxxxx> " " " That vent window gasket will fit all 63-66 Marlin, Classic, Ambassador; " and should fit all 63-64 Americans (not sure about 65-69). I know the " doors will interchange with 63-64 Americans (except for the outer " skins). That's enough coverage that Metro might be persuaded to start " making vent window gaskets, but I doubt it. you must still be suffering jet lag, frank! the '63 and '64 americans are very different. if the vent gasket -does- fit the '64, it'll cover up to '69 too. " For the door and trunk gaskets, and window sweeps, contact Peter Stathes " (www.amcrambler.com). He has kits for all. You can match the door and " [] " bucks more you get better service. Peter also does locks and vac wiper " motors. iirc peter also has squeegee type window sweeps that fit. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:16:54 +0000 From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Afghanistan! To: amc-list@xxxxxxx Message-ID: <051620061916.11600.446A2526000B852E00002D502207000953019D0A0790019D9F9C03@xxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain Only the civilian H1. Military H1 production will continue to run high. I saw some of the newer models that contained some good design changes while interviewing at AM General a couple months ago. However, they are still unaware of a lot of the threats to the vehicles. I tried to point out as many things as I could to them that I learned while in Iraq last year. I basically lived in an 1114 as a 31B and got to see many different types of attack damage up close. Its too bad the military doesn't share more information with the manufacturer. They just give them requirements and not much else. They weren't even familiar with what EFP's (explosive-formed projectile) were or that they were being used to defeat 1114's. :( -Spro -------------- Original message -------------- From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker) > " From: Frank Swygert > " > " Well, I made it! Been here a couple days now. If anyone sent me a > " [] > " it's a bother just say so! I'll get a few pics of the various AM > " General prodcts driving around though... ;> > > speaking of which, i just heard the news that gm announced it's ending > production of the hummer h1. sic transit gloria am general... ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 17:55:37 -0400 From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [AMC-List] Big bads To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Message-ID: <E8DF38ACFC17F94998DE284C5CE4582A02202B94@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> http://www.planethoustonamx.com/amcdealerships/Long_Motors_Rambler.JPG << Colorado mega-retailer (Ford, Saturn, Suzuki, Hyundai, KIA, Audi, Mitsu, Mercedes, and Chrysler) Long (in business for 60 years) also sells Jeep. Owners in Rocky Mountains, high on AMC history, will look into it. Ha! >> The factory pin stripe has been polished off in quite a few spots so I will re-stripe that too. The 77 AMX flairs will be striped and primed with SEM plastic bumper primer. I will paint them with the Sherman Williams orange adding Morton's Impact 200 flexible additive to it. I used this product on the flairs I painted in 1979 on my yellow car and they have not cracked or pealed after all these years. Even though I am not a restorer I will keep as much of the original paint as possible since it is in such nice shape. << Stop! Even though you are not a restorer, you will keep as much of the original AMC -prose- as possible. AMC -never- sold a car with a "grill" or "flairs" (or, intentionally, with orange "peal" paint...) and -nobody- ever "striped" anything before re-striping --- unless they were working on a zebra. If you won't restore your -grille-, -strip- your -flares-, and eschew orange -peel-, your Hornet will not be "original." Not even 85%. Ah, but AMC is not alone with a grille on the grill and some bull cooking. http://www.theraceforum.com/images/forum/3041-66-2.jpg "Fortune magazine's Alex Taylor III described the grille as 'simply a travesty, a plain oval with the Jag emblem in the middle; it recalls the recently departed Ford Taurus, an inappropriate homage if there ever was one.'" http://tinyurl.com/gvt2o So "retorts Jaguar's chief designer Ian Callum: 'Get over it.' Callum points out that the grille design is very similar to that of the 1960s E-Type, perhaps the most revered production Jaguar of all time." http://www.docsjags.com/sales/e-types/series_1/201-1001/201-1001-6.JPG http://www.jag-lovers.org/brochures/xke3/ultimate-v12_1_l.jpg http://www.jag-lovers.org/brochures/xke3/ultimatev12_5_l.jpg But what did he say about a reverence for AMC content? http://www.carolinabreeze.com/img/photo/connie-jag.jpg Even when revered with perhaps a bit too much -flair-? http://www.pjsautoworld.com/1960cars/1962jaguarxkefrt.JPG http://www.pjsautoworld.com/1960cars/1962jaguarxkehood.JPG Which the British would perhaps blame on the -French-? http://www.pjsautoworld.com/1960cars/1962jaguarxkebk.JPG If you don't know Hornets or Hot Rods, learn both now! I had hoped that someone, on seeing some AMC pre-history http://www.rmauctions.com/images/cars/az06/az06_r125_1.jpg would have taken some time to show some more as AMC died, http://tinyurl.com/godt8 but no one did. Some AMC is still alive - if we seek it. Some AMC is still dying. Bit by bit. Slowly. Each day. In 6/06 R&T, "Collectible Sleepers of the Lowest Rank" includes Kaiser, Frazer, Fiat, Triumph, Aztek (of course), "Renault Anything" (Alliance mentioned), America (not American) among assorted British sleepers, and A M (not AMC). Pacer and Matador are not low-rank collectibles, only throwaway Pontiac jokes. "Ugly stuff comes around again" they write (like CTS, Prius, and 300 C?) but they seem to be forgetting about AMC. Slowly. Surely. Sleepily. And gone. As the "Baron of BALCO" bats at some sort of record, I read a new book on the "Bambino" ("The Big Bam: The Life and Times of Babe Ruth") and saw Kenosha dying. In that book I found Fords [Frick and Henry]; I saw Stengel [Casey], Studs [Terkel], and steroids; I even batted a now battered Buffalo into the [Bisons] bullpen, but I couldn't see a single Nash. It's as if Nash is becoming some sort of AMC or something. How could that ever happen? In Ruth's "automobile adventures": "He drove fast and without worry." "He parked anywhere." "He hit things, including pedestrians." "He gave his passengers internal injuries." He crashed cars, he totaled them, and, of course, he drank a lot. He lived life like some of today's American "royalty" and "heroes." A "new green Essex roadster" was given him. All publicity is good. His maroon twelve-cylinder Packard (which he actually bought) "looked like a rocket ship" and "sounded like a fuel-burning calliope" (he had the early Midas touch), so it was dubbed "The Ghost of Riverside Drive" --- even if very few ghosts (not to mention coach built senior Packards) were ever painted -red-. He drove it with impunity (the cops rarely chased him) on his way home (at 3 AM) from partying with his guys and gals (his wife was not among them) who hung with at the hottest spots. He was Namath, he was Rose, he was Beckham, he was Kobe, he was phat. (He was also fat...) He didn't like fuel stops (at, say, fifteen or twenty cents a gallon), so had 48- and 55-gallon gas tanks installed. Bigger, better. Babe! (If not Big Boom...) In 1937, after he went hunting in Nova Scotia, his Stutz Bearcat drove back with "one deer tied onto the front bumper, two more tied onto the front fenders and a large, dead bear sitting in the rumble seat. The bloodstained car, not to mention the bloodstained 'passenger', made quite a sight in midtown Manhattan." He drove the Bo Stefan Eriksson Ferrari and the Paris Hilton Bentley of his day. He was bigger than life, more than bad, and he once was paid to pose with Nash. But while the book tells us how he "killed" (burned out the clutch) of yet another Packard --- under snow in his upstate NY backyard (back and forth until he built up a huge pile and still didn't budge...), it doesn't tell about (or show) one of his Nash "adventures." I was talking about the "Sultan of Swat" with a young colleague (in his late 20s and a self-professed "huge sports fan" who watches only Sports Center while he works out at the gym, listened to sports radio while he drove halfway across the country to take a symphony orchestra audition [he doesn't play classical music in the car 'cause he'd concentrate too much to drive safely], whose brother is an Asian-car specialist [with a business school degree], and whose best friend has one Firebird in both spaces of a two-car garage [cars taken apart are known to do that sort of thing] at the moment, and who drives like he believes himself to be Fernando Alonzo on a sunny, dry Sunday) who should know about old cars. "Nash?" he wondered, "Don't think I've ever heard of that kind of car." Yes, oool kids (or nerd types), smarties (or dummies), history happens. But it can be easily forgotten. So how are you doing with AMC? Put yourselves on the grill. Do you remembering it well? If not, do try a bit harder. http://www.lelands.com/itemlist.aspx?categoryid=0&auctionid=512 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.amc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list End of AMC-List Digest, Vol 4, Issue 33 ***************************************