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- Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 21:48:00 +0000
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Rear sway bars..... (Sandwich Maker)
2. Re: Non AMC Power Steering Question (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
3. Re: 64 Rambler Classic Progress Report (cont'd).
(markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
4. Re: Ford to Spirit rear end questions (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
5. Re: P is for cars, and other Ramblings (Michael Bailey)
6. Late 70's Rear Spring Isolator Rubbers (Mr. AMC)
7. Re: Late 70's Rear Spring Isolator Rubbers (JOE FULTON)
8. Fw: 68 rambler 1/4 panels wanted (Eddie Stakes)
9. Fw: One Piece Axles question (Eddie Stakes)
10. Re: Fw: One Piece Axles question (msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx)
11. Paint Job or Snow Job? (Kim Bueler)
12. Dim, flicker, and off (Mahoney, John)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 07:57:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rear sway bars.....
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200605051157.k45Bvmm14608@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "William Renshaw" <lionwren@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
"
" I have someone looking for a rear sway bar for my Gremlin X "clone" project.
" What I am wondering what will work? Any small bodied AMC?
i would expect a spirit amx to have the same bar, but while axles are
the same on hornets/concords the springs aren't, so maybe their bars
are different too.
" Could I have one custom made?
quickor boasted that they had full sets for every car made. look them
up - they're in the pnw somewhere iirc.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 5:48:33 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Non AMC Power Steering Question
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Cc: KSiroonian@xxxxxxx
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I'd try the Lucas before putting new boots on. Why put new boots on to have fill them up with fluid? If the pacer uses the hard seals the GM racks of the 80's used, you won't get much help. They are too hard for the Lucas to soften up and get to seal. The seals on the GM racks where hard and wore into the metals and we would replace them with what looked to be slightly larger seals and they would last a year or two then go again.
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- KSiroonian@xxxxxxx wrote:
> i thought John Elle said he had good luck with the Lucas power steering additive. My pacer rack is leaking as well and needs new boots, so before I use the extra one I have, I am going to replace the boots and try to drain out some of the ps fluid in the system and give the lucas a try. I wonder if the amc tech manual says hot to flush the system. good luck, regards. K.
>
>
> n May 4, 2006 markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>
> > Unless you are positive the pump is not harmed too. I'd ditch it and replace both, consider the lines too. Even if you don't replace everything, make sure you flush it all real good so you don't pump any contaminants into the new rack. IIRC you can get a filter to install in the low pressure line to trap anything the flush may miss.
> > Now a days rebuilt pumps and new hoses aren't horrendously expensive, If you can swing it replace it all and start fresh.--
> > Mark Price
> > markprice242ATadelphia.net
> > Morgantown, WV
> >
> >
> > ---- Robert Sliko <robert.sliko@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Well.......give it a little time and the problem becomes more obvious.
> > > Looks like my initial problem with the whining was an indicator for an
> > > upcoming problem with the rack. The original fluid level was fine the first
> > > day and was refilled to the right level after changing the fluid and
> > > everything worked OK. But now the rack is leaking out of the right
> > > bellows. Apparently the rack failed on the second day (though now no
> > > whining noise as long as the fluid level is right). Seems the bellows
> > > initially contained all the leaking fluid and the foaming was a secondary
> > > effect from the lowered fluid level and air entering the rack.
> > >
> > > Looks like I need a new rack...Thanks to all who responded.
> > >
> > > Bob
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tom Jennings" <tomj@xxxxxxx>
> > > To: <amc-list@xxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 2:17 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Non AMC Power Steering Question
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 2006-05-03 at 03:43, Sandwich Maker wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> i keep thinking it must have a crack, loose fitting, bad o-ring or
> > > >> something, on the suction side of the pump, so that it can pull a
> > > >> little air into the fluid. but i'm baffled why it took a day for the
> > > >> foaming to recur.
> > > >>
> > > >> the other time foaming happens is when there's a leak on the pressure
> > > >> side; when the fluid level gets low enough the pump pulls air from the
> > > >> reservoir, but this clearly isn't your problem.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It could also be simply overfilled; there is a recommended fill
> > > > proceedure, and overfill is a big mess. The original problem could have
> > > > been a cracked hose etc sucking in air, but compunded by overfilling.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 5:59:45 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 64 Rambler Classic Progress Report (cont'd).
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Cc: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Joe,
Is it a shaft rocker engine or individual? If it's shaft and it turns out you need anything in that dept, I should have some stuff here. Matt's tip may do the trick. If it is non shaft you've got deeper issues.
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> When we last left poor Joe and his 64 Classic with the
> noisy engine, several listers had given him good
> suggestions of what to do next.
>
> Tonight I had time to pull the valve cover and observe
> that all of the push rods were in place and the valve
> train looked normal. I turned the engine over with my
> remote starter switch first and did not hear the noise
> in the bottom of the engine, so I turned on the
> ignition and started it.
>
> There appears to be no oil getting to the valve train
> and of course the valve clattering did not subside.
> The oil pressure idiot light did go out when the
> engine started. I then drained the oil and plan to
> pull the oil pan next to inspect the oil pickup and
> oil pump.
>
> I hope to get a resolution on this problem on
> Saturday.
>
> Regards,
> Joe Fulton
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 6:09:50 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Ford to Spirit rear end questions
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx, Eddie Stakes <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Grind the perches off and clean everything up.
Lay perches on the Spirit springs lay the complete axle on the perches. Botl everything down fairly snug with u bolts just like you where installing the axle if it was done. set the car at ride height the car at ride height. I use 12" concrete blocks at all 4 corners, core side up! with a piece of 2X12 on the top. Then use an angle gauge and measure the trans angle. Ususally you can place the angle gauge against the machined edge where the seal sits. Then measure the pinion angle on the rear end across the flats where the u joint caps go. if the trans is down 1/2 Degree make the rear axle up 1/2 degree. tack the spring perches. Pulle it apart and wled them on.
There is more detailed info available online. run a search. Also make sure you center the axle under the car! This is just the basics of doing it. you really should read some more before attempting this to get the full hang of it. Get a pro to do the final welding unless you know exactly what you are doing!
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- Eddie Stakes <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hello every one I have a 79 spirit amx that I would like to convert the
> rearend to a ford. I have a 1985 Ford ranger 2 wd that measures from brake
> drum to brake drum 57"" the spirit rear end measures 57.5"" from drum to
> drum can anyone tell me how to do this the right way ? I know that the
> ranger sets on the bottom of the springs and the spirit sets on top the pads
> don't measure out the same so I know I will have to relocate them I need the
> right pinion angle and the information to do this the right way. Bryan
> Wilson bryan_Wilson9621@xxxxxxxxx 330)-347-9803 / (330)-684-1199
> ==============================================
> anyone that can help them out please feel free to comment thanks
> Eddie Stakes'
> Planet Houston AMX
> 713.464.8825
> eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.planethoustonamx.com
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 06:24:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Bailey <route66rambler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] P is for cars, and other Ramblings
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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Frank Swygert wrote:
The "AMC Family Album" isn't as rare as you'd think Michael. It was rather popular, popular enough that AMC updated it in 1975 (has 76 models too!) and printed it as "The American Motors Family Album" (I have a copy of it). The intro mentions the "Rambler Family Album" and a "Nash Family Album" (just as the 69 does), but not another AMC one. It does mention that it's printed periodically though. I don't know of one between 69 and 75, and none after. I've only seen a copy of the "Nash Family Album". Copies occasionally pop up on e-bay, but they are rather prized by owners of AMC cars who have one, and don't show up often.
--------> Yeah, I was aware of the other editions of the book. I guess I should have mentioned those other editions, but the 1500 number I referred to was given to me by a rare book shop here in Phoenix. After some research, that was their estimate of copies per run, i.e. 1500 of the Nash one, 1500 of the Rambler one, etc. I have seen the 75 version, it's possibly the rarest one, because by then nobody cared anymore.
Basically, it's one of those books you can get, but most of us "Rambler Mentality" types aren't going to hunt one down and pay for it. After all, it was GIVEN to my project. Not that I wouldn't have actually found one myself, this guy just saw it first, and knew it was high on my list. The book shop said that it was mostly for dealers and other important stockholders, board members, people they wanted to impress, employee of the month etc. In other words, more of a promo than a product. I have no way of knowing if this is accurate. By all means, if you know any more about this subject, please elucidate further. I AM curious.
mike
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 13:22:01 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] Late 70's Rear Spring Isolator Rubbers
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <14895-445B89B9-7551@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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What year did AMC start the rear leaf spring rubber isolators?
"Doc"
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 11:24:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Late 70's Rear Spring Isolator Rubbers
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060505182405.99868.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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The Pacer used rear spring isolators from the
beginning I believe, in 1975. My 75 coupe has them.
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:03:20 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: 68 rambler 1/4 panels wanted
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: BarBara Monzingo <ragpicker55@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <010601c67076$c3d536e0$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
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Anyone have any leads on 1/4 panels, or patches for Mark give him a shout below thanks
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
----- Original Message -----
From: BarBara Monzingo ragpicker55@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 8:07 AM
Subject: 68 rambler
good morning eddie, do you know of anyone that might have a couple of quarter panels for a 1968 rambler ? or maybe someone that reproduces them ? i'am the one that bought that complete 69 390 that was one ebay a couple of months ago the block is at the machine shop as we speak. thanks and have a good weekend
mark monzingo
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:12:07 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Fw: One Piece Axles question
To: <baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Bing <bing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Anyone that can help point Jim in the right direction feel free to comment, and be sure to also copy your reply to Jim whose email address is below. Thanks in advance to all who might reply.
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bing bing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Eddie Stakes
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:18 PM
Subject: Axles
Hey Eddie,
Are you a source, or do you know of a source, for one piece axles for the AMC rear end? I've spun my hubs.
Thanks,
Jim C.
Grand Rapids MI.
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 19:31:28 +0000
From: msproviero@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Fw: One Piece Axles question
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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I replied directly to him. He's up here in MI, too. Worst case I can hook him up with some extra stock shafts if its a 20.
-Spro
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Anyone that can help point Jim in the right direction feel free to comment, and
> be sure to also copy your reply to Jim whose email address is below. Thanks in
> advance to all who might reply.
> Eddie Stakes'
> Planet Houston AMX
> 713.464.8825
> eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.planethoustonamx.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bing bing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: Eddie Stakes
> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:18 PM
> Subject: Axles
>
>
> Hey Eddie,
> Are you a source, or do you know of a source, for one piece axles for the AMC
> rear end? I've spun my hubs.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim C.
> Grand Rapids MI.
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 16:59:22 -0400
From: "Kim Bueler" <kimbueler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Paint Job or Snow Job?
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxx>
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I don't know if everyone remembers, however last Summer I had my car at my
engine builders and Dream Car Garage expressed an interest to my mechanic
that they possibly would like to consider my car for the TV show. Well I
tried contacting them a few times to follow-up, however they never responded
so it looks like they are not interested in the car - no matter, it was an
exciting thought and made for interesting discussion amongst my buddies.
Now Dream Car Garage - aka Legendary Motor Cars is just north of me in the
town of Milton and my friend and I have been there a number of times to look
at their cars, which are all beautiful but pricey, over the past 6 months
and the last time we were there we asked get a tour of the facilities and
also enquired about getting a quote for a paint job - they said bring it up
and we will give you a quote.
Fast forward to yesterday, I took my Gremlin for spin up to Legendary to get
a quote. I rolled into the parking lot and asked at the front desk about a
estimate, they directed me to Jason who at the time was test driving a nice
green convertible SS impala.
Jason introduced himself and began to look over the car and this where the
fun began. Now to be clear I have no hard feelings about my car being
ignored from the original interest, I just thought that since they did some
nice restorations maybe a paint job from them would be the way to go.
Jason began by stating it was not original paint - it is and I pointed that
out, he then indicated that it was a laquer paint job, I told him it was
enamel. He then looked over the car and the few dings the car had - this car
has no rust what so ever and only a few dings that are easily repaired. It
is a car that has been stored for all of its life and has only been on the
road on sunny days in the last three years, it is pristine with the
exception of a few small dings and has only 36 thousand original miles - I
purchased it brand new.
Jason started telling me that the car needed at least 400 to 500 hours of
work for prep and paint - I was nodding my head at this point, listening but
not fully comprending the amount of work he was suggesting, then he said at
his shop rates this would (and this where my ears pointed to Spock like
resemblence) equate to around 25 to 30 thousand dollars. You read it correct
folks 30 thousand dollars (Canadian but still alot of money) to paint my
frigging car!
At this point, I started to put some distance between him and me as he
proceeded to explain why so much work was needed, namely, the shop had a
name to uphold, they needed to completly strip the car, each section
required special work, their paint jobs were almost as special as their
restoration and should be compared to the same.
I looked at him incredously as he proceeded to tell me the car was not worth
it (I readily agreed) but that they a reputation to uphold and that they
targeted higher income individuals and perhaps if I won a lottery and still
wanted to proceed I should come back.
To say I was floored, is an understatement, but as he blathered on about
bleed throughs because of incorrect feathering, etc, etc, I began to hear
that dinging bell - this guy didn't want the work. At about the same time I
was thinking of this, he stated the same thing that although it sounded like
that, it was not true, they would take the work, but it would be 25 to 30
thousand dollars.
I thanked him for his time and left.
Now my question to the list, I want to get the car painted, but I don't need
a concours paint job, how much should I expect to pay.
Cheers everyone!
Kim Bueler ' 75 Gremlin X 360 V8
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 17:47:50 -0400
From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Dim, flicker, and off
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>he had good luck with the Lucas power steering additive
Ken, if a proper British ale or a Pony Cream British sherry or an Islay Single Malt Scotch whiskey is good for a Prince; it's good for a Pacer.
And 25 years from now, when AMC collectors drive Chery-built Chryslers day-to-day, a warm Chinese pinyin will probably be good for an AMC also.
(Yes, we know Lucas "Stop Leak" is made in the USA; we also need know tomorrow's, today's, and yesterday's car info to get in on all the jokes.)
http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2006/05/05/afx2723163.html
http://www.peterrenn.clara.net/archive4.html
You know "American Motors is a registered trademark of DaimlerChrysler Corporation (c. 2003)" [Microsoft Xbox Part No. X10-90863 sez], so you may also have good luck with Trockenbeerenauslesen (not a beer but a fine wine; maybe the world's most costly) in Kennedymobiles, as a TBA becomes more complex with age.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/17938366@N00/140221878/
(Which all AMC car collectors can strive to do also.)
(Become more complex, that is, not more crash-prone...)
To say one more word about German automobiles, I was disappointed by my Audi Avant trip Wednesday evening. Its 18" wheel spokes looked a little chunky, its face looked a little chopped up, its character lines looked a little lacking in character, its interior looked a little like it had been badly borrowed from [bad] BMW, and overall, it looked a little too much like a bigger, more expensive VW Passat. It wasn't today's version of a 1960s Town & Country or a 1970s Ambassador or even a 1990s Roadmaster woody. It wasn't an '06 A6 steelie.
On one road, its ride rode a little less like a Renault than like a Rabbit.
Irregardless, its roof rails looked truly terrific.
Likely couldn't -do- anything, but looked gorgeous.
(You thought old -Hudson- built a "Hollywood" car?)
I'll just have to wait for a ride in the new Ford Fusion-with-Pacer wagon.
http://tinyurl.com/sxdna
Which side looks best to you?
One more point. I typed "country club" when I could have more quickly typed "dinner" or simply "club" for a simple reason: AMC history. If "Country Club" means merely Nash to you:
http://tinyurl.com/sxdna
(let's hope Nash Country Club doors aren't as closed as that GTO photo club door was yesterday...), then you have lots of new/old discoveries to enjoy making.
Whether you drive straight to the Country Club or drive Cross Country, AMC history has very much more than just muscle-era cars that you should know about.
So whether you want to drive new Red Lines,
http://www.saturn.com/saturn/vehicles/futurevehicles/sky_hi/index.jsp
you want to drive old-style E70 red lines,
http://www.americanpartsdepot.com/images/DCP00569.JPG
you want to drive Rossi heads to redlines,
http://ferraris-online.com/cars/FE-F40-88423/images/P022Web.jpg
or you want to run red lines in green lanes on yellow brick roads,
http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B16741.jpg
you need to schedule more dinners at Country Clubs.
You don't need to pay for a membership. And no greens fees.
Not even a set of clubs. All you need is -free- Hudson history.
You will find that on page 15 of the 1969 Family Album. Fore-door!
(Although it would feel classy to slip the doorman a "thank you" note.)
Fwwwwp! Hey, did you see how that ball flew right over everyone's head?
>>
The "AMC Family Album" isn't as rare as you'd think Michael. It was rather popular, popular enough that AMC updated it in 1975 (has 76 models too!) and printed it as "The American Motors Family Album" (I have a copy of it). The intro mentions the "Rambler Family Album" and a "Nash Family Album" (just as the 69 does), but not another AMC one. It does mention that it's printed periodically though. I don't know of one between 69 and 75, and none after. I've only seen a copy of the "Nash Family Album".
<<
Frank, I'm unaware of any "1975 (has 76 models)" publication, but do know that the '76 album (includes '77 models) was a last leaf of its kind on the American Motors Family tree. The "Family Album" concept, nine editions of which appeared, had begun with Nash's preparation (in 1951) for its golden anniversary: '52, '54, and '56 printings followed. Three "Rambler" albums ('61, '62, '63) and two as "AMC" ('69 and '76) completed the run. In this "Antiques Road Show" era of "How much is it worth?" (rather than "Is it meaningful?"), the '69 editon may prove more "valuable" than the others --- not because of its content or its scarcity, but because of its graphic design. It's, like, totally groovy! Read it in the light of your vintage lava lamp.
>>
their estimate of copies per run, i.e. 1500 of the Nash one, 1500 of the
Rambler one, etc. I have seen the 75 version, it's possibly the rarest one, because by then nobody cared anymore.
<<
Mike, guesstimates by booksellers are just that: 1500 would probably be a base number (minimum run) and the actual numbers would be higher. By what degree, without Public Relations purchase order records, even the memory of a John Conde should be suspect. The number of "presentation" copies would be extremely limited, because such editions were oft times specially bound, sequentially numbered, and almost never sold at retail.
>>
In other words, more of a promo than a product. I have no way of knowing if this is accurate. By all means, if you know any more about this subject, please elucidate further. I AM curious.
<<
The paperbound albums (especially the '63 and 76 editions) were both a "product" and "promo" --- for retail sale to AM employees, AM new-car buyers, Nash-Hudson-Rambler-AM old-car collectors, libraries, and to your favorite Aunt Betty or old Uncle Wilber who simply enjoyed remembering the way America was.
Andy Rooney should someday ask, "D'ja ever wonder what mighta happened if AMC had sponsored Lawrence Welk after Dodge and Geritol dumped him?"
He might see more Ambassadors and fewer Avalons on the roads of today.
AMC did far better at keeping repeat buyers than making new conquests.
But, eventually, it had too few of either. Sounds like this AMC list.
And then there were none. Old AMC isn't even 20 years gone yet. Sad.
Yesterday I asked: What was the 1974 AMC connection to a 2006 Wisconsin vehicle that is built -for- AMC?
Today, the answer: Pierce Manufacturing, America's premier producer of fire apparatus, was founded by brothers (Humphrey and Dudley) Pierce in Wisconsin in 1913, so it was not a "silver ghost" of the motorcar that George Pierce started in New York in 1901 (even if its newest chassis is named "Arrow XT" and it proudly poses a Buffalo-built Pierce for year 1979 on its website),
http://www.piercemfg.com/company/history.cfm
but it is a division of another Wisconsin motor vehicle manufacturer,
http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/stories/2006/05/01/daily17.html
and when OTC (Oshkosh Truck Company)
http://www.oshkoshtruckcorporation.com/
sells to AMC (Army Materiel Command)
http://www.amc.army.mil/
OTC benefits from the legal legacy
http://www.wisbar.org/res/txap/p2005/03i343(P).pdf
of yet another Wisconsin vehicle maker --- old AMC.
If your brain hasn't burst, what will OTC and TMC soon have in common?
Ummmm,
Ummm,
Umm,
Um.
Big, expensive hybrids:
http://tinyurl.com/q4o3h
http://www.lexus.com/
(At "What's New" click "Discover the all-new LS..." and "LS Hybrid")
As usual, more than you wanted to know.
Maybe more than you wanted to pay for.
If not more than you wanted to read.
That's just the way old AMC goes.
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