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Today's Topics:
1. 59 Rambler (russ hathaway)
2. Re: 59 Rambler (Widiker, John D)
3. 66 Rambler in $2006 Grassroots Motorsports Challenge??
(farna@xxxxxxx)
4. 1960 Classic panel wagon (russ hathaway)
5. Re: Stuck ignition key. (Widiker, John D)
6. Re: Shipping COSTS!!?? (Matt Haas)
7. Re: 64 Rambler Progress Report (Matt Haas)
8. Re: Shipping COSTS!!?? (Jamie Smith)
9. Re: Choke thermostat heater tube [Broken] (John Elle)
10. Eddie Stakes (Joe)
11. Matador Coupe Bumpers (Mr. AMC)
12. Greyhound Shipping. (Mr. AMC)
13. Re: 232 in Classic (farna@xxxxxxx)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:41:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 59 Rambler
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Mark; yeah, the urine smell is horrible. I opened the
door and got hit real hard by the smell. I'm sure the
wool mabd a nice nest for them over the 40 plus
winters. Being as it has been in a barn, this is huge
barn and the Rambler sat forlornly in the corner, the
basic structure has got to be be sound. It is blue
inside and white out, the front door panels are real
nice. Floor mats, no carpeting.
As for the old Poncho, the PO wants me to broker it so
I have already contacted a local Goat owner. That old
boat is solid and would be an excellent start for a resto.....Russ
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 22:46:33 -0400
From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 59 Rambler
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I would totally have been in the market for that Pontiac 2 weeks ago,
I've got a 1964 Tempest on a truck headed to Michigan right now that
closed end of last week. Bummer. (though the car I got is very nice)
~J
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Behalf Of russ hathaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:42 PM
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Subject: [AMC-List] 59 Rambler
Mark; yeah, the urine smell is horrible. I opened the door and got hit
real hard by the smell. I'm sure the wool mabd a nice nest for them over
the 40 plus winters. Being as it has been in a barn, this is huge barn
and the Rambler sat forlornly in the corner, the basic structure has got
to be be sound. It is blue inside and white out, the front door panels
are real nice. Floor mats, no carpeting.
As for the old Poncho, the PO wants me to broker it so I have already
contacted a local Goat owner. That old boat is solid and would be an
excellent start for a resto.....Russ
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 04 May 2006 02:49:24 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] 66 Rambler in $2006 Grassroots Motorsports
Challenge??
To: "J. w." <sacranoidclub@xxxxxxxxx>, amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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Jason is building a 66 American for the $2006 (or it might take until 2007) Grassroots Motorsports Challenge (http://www.grmotorsports.com/news/category/2006-challenge/). The main gist is you can only spend $200x to buy and build the car. The rules include a value for donated items, as after the first few years people were starting to get donated items that were pricey enough to start to skew the competition. The first ting below is the last thing I sent him. You have to scroll to the bottom and read up to make sense of the thread!
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Just keep me posted. For your car to handle better it really needs stiffer springs. American V-8 springs would help, but just a little. You might have to spend some money and order a set of front springs from www.coilsprings.com. Nearly $200, but a set of 115# per inch (constant rate -- the company will twist you a set of equivalent progressive rate springs) is what you really need. Those were the station wagon and convert. "handling package" springs. Standards are 80# per inch, V-8 93#. 68-69 Javelin V-8 springs are 100# -- you might be able to find a set of those used, but go for a set of Javelin V-8 springs from a factory AC car -- they are the 115# springs. Used ones will have settled some, but will still be a big improvement over your stock springs. 67-69 Ambassador and Rebel V-8 springs 105#, but I'm not sure they will fit. I don't know what the outside diameter of the springs on the cars are. If the outside diameter is the same they will fit. I might be able to find s!
omeone
with a set of used springs for you, will have to check. The sway bar from a Javelin or even a late model Hornet or Concord can be fitted relatively easy. You'll also want to start looking for a 79-83 Concord or Spirit for the front disc brakes. You need everything that comes off when you take the four bolts holding the spindle on out.
--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Independent
Magazine" (AIM)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
(free download available!)
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "J. w." <sacranoidclub@xxxxxxxxx>
> thanks for getting back to me about the zine. i am
> keeping the str 6. it is the smaller car, the
> american.
> i will be getting the time next week to read
> everything and try to get you some pics of the car.
> i had no time this week to get much done. i will see
> you laters.\
> jason
>
> --- farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
> > That's very interesting Jason! In fact, I hope you
> > keep me posted about your progress, and can send a
> > few digital pics when you get the car and as you go
> > along. I'll print them in AIM. Maybe I can come up
> > with a sponsor sticker for AIM.... ;>
> >
> > Part of what I can tell you depends on what model
> > Rambler you have. There are two different, but
> > similar, front suspensions -- the big cars (Classic
> > and Ambassador for 66) and small (American). I would
> > assume you have the American. Since it's a 66, it
> > either has a 199 or 232. Go to
> > http://www.amcrc.com/tech/engine.html to find out
> > which you have. Do you plan on running the six or a
> > V-8 swap? Since you're going for the $200x
> > challenge, you'll be better off with a Chevy or Ford
> > small block, but the car will command greater
> > respect (especially fromAMC hobbyist) with AMC
> > power. Let me know where you're at then look up the
> > rules for "donated" parts. I might be able to help
> > you "find" an AMC V-8 and trans. But don't give up
> > on the six, especially if it's a 232 -- it can be
> > pretty potent. Wouldn't help much for the drag race
> > category, but may handle better than a V-8.
> >
> > If you can get your hands on a junkyard turbo it's a
> > pretty easy install on the six. You don't need a
> > special exhaust manifold. Since there isn't much
> > room on the left side, run a piece of exhaust tubing
> > under the oil pan to the RIGHT side. The turbo is
> > mounted to a flange welded to the pipe. I know a
> > couple people running them this way.
> >
> > --
> > Frank Swygert
> > Publisher, "American Independent
> > Magazine" (AIM)
> > For all AMC enthusiasts
> > http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
> > (free download available!)
> >
> > -------------- Original message
> > ----------------------
> > From: "J. w." <sacranoidclub@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > i was going though car crafts message board about
> > the
> > > rmabler build up and seen you post about doing
> > some
> > > tips on getting some suspion work done for
> > handleing.
> > >
> > > the reason i am writing is that i am buying a 66
> > > rambler this week and i am going to be using some
> > of
> > > car crafts ideas and other stuff to do some work
> > on
> > > mine. i really am looking for ideas on supsion
> > work
> > > since i want to use mine for autocross and the new
> > > sport of drifting.
> > > the car is a 66 4door, str 6, 3 on the tree.
> > > manual drums, no power stering.
> > > and is very good shape.
> > > the other reson i am getting this is for
> > grassroots
> > > motorsports magazine's anually $200x challange.
> > > buy, build, and race a car for what the current
> > year
> > > is. this year will be $2006 bucks to spend. the
> > events
> > > are drag racing, autocross, and concorse judgeing.
> > >
> > > thanks for your time.
> > > jason walters
> > >
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 19:53:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 1960 Classic panel wagon
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The current issue od Old Skool Rodz shows a custom
shop that paneled out a 60 Classic. They basically
just welded shut the back doors and paneled her up.
The color is horrible, but kudos for using a Rambler.
It's got some big ol' meats on it too.....Russ
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 22:56:09 -0400
From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Stuck ignition key.
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxx>, <amc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Squirt a bit of lubri-plate into the key hole and around the collar of
the ignition. (small blue can with picture of a key on the front,
usually available at the hardware store) Work the key back and forth for
a bit and then give it a few hours to sit. (it tends to wick up anywhere
you have metal to metal in my experience). Amazing stuff if you can find
it and that's where I would start. I've had totally messed up stuff
start behaving in seconds after a squirt of lubri-plate.
~John
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From: amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx [mailto:amc-list-bounces@xxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Matthew Gracie
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 6:35 PM
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] Stuck ignition key.
It's been a particularly nice week in Buffalo so far, so I thought this
would be a good time to get my Matador back on the road. One problem,
though -- it's been sitting all winter, and the key won't turn all the
way in the ignition. I can turn it backwards to ACC, and forwards to the
same thing, but it won't turn far enough to start the car.
I know that it recognizes the key, because the car produces the "key is
in the ignition" buzz. Also, the transmission shifts freely. But I just
can't move the key that last little turn.
Anyone have any ideas?
--Matt
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 23:02:40 -0400
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Shipping COSTS!!??
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Try FedEx Ground or DHL. I picked up a 68 American grille recently and
shipping was less than $20 (I think that came FedEx Ground). I also picked
up a radiator support for my El Camino that came from California to Ohio
via DHL for about the same price. The box the grill came in wasn't much
bigger than the grill and the core support was just wrapped in plastic.
Matt
At 08:16 AM 5/3/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>Has anyone encountered the cost of shipping something?? I have someone who
>wants the grille off of this Matador that I am parting out. Last week I went
>to a local bodie shop and found this really bigassedbox. The gille fit and
>so did all the rest of the parts this guy wants to purchase. It weighed only
>34 pounds and UPS wanted 125 bucks to ship! They said it was the size of the
>box. SO.... I found a smaller box but had to make an end cap. The grille
>stuck out about 3 inches on one end and I wasnt able to fit any of the other
>parts this guy wants. I went back to the same UPS shipping office.....got
>the same quote on shipping...125 bucks!! The box went from 34 pounds to 14
>pounds and the cost was the same. I went to the post office and they want 85
>bucks for a parcel post. Is there any other way to ship? What am I sapposed
>to do?? I dont want to seem like I am scammin' the guy on shipping, but that
>is astronomical for shipping. Anyone have any ideas on how to ship somthing
>with out paying an outrageous costs? Its got me kind of frustrated to say
>the least. Any responce will be greatly appreciated!!
>
>
>
>Bill Renshaw Lewiston Idaho
>AKA Brother B.
>AMC'S RULE.....the rest just drool like the dogs they are.
>1973 Gremlin X "clone" (project)
>1970 Original Hornet "plain jane"
>1974 Matador Coupe "Parts car"
>
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mhaas@xxxxxxx
Cincinnati, OH
http://www.mattsoldcars.com
1967 Rambler American wagon
1968 Rambler American sedan
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 22:44:53 -0400
From: Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 64 Rambler Progress Report
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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Joe,
This sounds a little like the M.O. of my wagon before I got it. It did that
a couple of times and then ended up with almost a know that was persistent.
The end result was a very bent push rod
(http://www.mattsoldcars.com/1967american/) and evidence that the valves
and pistons gave each other a little kiss (no pictures of that but that's
what the machine shop told me). The engine actually ran okay on basically
five cylinders but was a little hard to start and down on power a touch.
Matt
At 06:04 AM 5/2/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>This is a 64 Rambler Classic which I picked up from a
>local junkyard rather than see it crushed. Clean body
>which needs paint. An early 232 has been transplanted
>into the car by a previous owner. At first I thought
>it was one of the scarce 232 4-doors which were made
>by AMC along with the Rambler Typhoons, but the
>homemade engine mounts give the transplant away.
>
>The car started fine two days ago. It had a slight
>lifter tick which went away as it warmed up. All I
>did to get it running was replace the burned points
>and condenser. The car was horribly out of time too.
>The distributor wasn't loose, but it did sit in the
>front yard of the junkyard several weeks so someone
>could have tampered with it.
>
>Yesterday, when I started it after replacing the worn
>shifter column with another used column, there was a
>pronounced lifter tick which didn't go away as the
>engine warmed and there was a brief loud metallic
>sound like something loose in the oil pan. Maybe I
>should have shut it down then, but the sound was only
>brief.
>
>Tonight I'll pull the valve cover and inspect the
>rocker shaft and push rods. I'll also do a cold
>compression test before I start the engine, looking
>for clues. I'll drain and strain the oil. Any other
>suggestions?
>
>Regards,
>Joe Fulton
>Salinas, CA
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Cincinnati, OH
http://www.mattsoldcars.com
1967 Rambler American wagon
1968 Rambler American sedan
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:18:24 -0700
From: "Jamie Smith" <oconner51@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Shipping COSTS!!??
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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I recently shipped several jeep parts all over the US and found that on most of them Fedex was quite a bit cheaper than UPS and in some cases DHL was a few dollars cheaper than Fedex. The only exception was shipping a cross member to Alaska. UPS wanted $60, Fedex wanted $46 and USPS wanted $24 priority or $19 parcel. Other than that I found fedex was usually the way to go for larger packages and USPS was better for small packages (sizes that would fit in a mailbox).
Jamie Smith
Spokane, WA
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:35:28 -0700
From: "John Elle" <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Choke thermostat heater tube [Broken]
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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SLY
SNIP
I was replacing my carb the other day and I broke the carb where the
heater tube attaches for the choke. The threaded mounting stud of the
carb broke off inside the heater tube threads.
What can I do to get a heater tube mounted to my new carb? Where does
one find the right choke heater tube?
Thanks! Sly
SNIP
Some one might have a junk parts carburetor lying around that could be
used to repair yours, I might even have one but before I go look I need
to know some other information.
What Year?
What Carburetor?
And although the answer to the previous might make this one self
evident, what engine?
And it might be important to know what car?
With the above information I would be willing to sort through some junk
to see what I have in stock.
John.
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 21:39:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Joe <jgray_55@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Eddie Stakes
To: AMC list <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, BadAssGremlins
<baadassgremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Anyone heard from Eddie in the last two days? I
emailed him with no responce. Have not seen him post
here either? Joe
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 06:07:16 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] Matador Coupe Bumpers
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I saw a Matador coup in the readers rides under construction a few years
back in some magazine, I can't remember which one. Anyhow the owner had
used a pair of late 60's early 70's Corvette rear bumpers on the rear of
his car. I don't remember what he used on the front it may have been
rear Corvette ones too. The Corvette ones on the back looked nice. Those
massive bumpers did nothing for the looks of the car.
"Doc"
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 06:33:20 -0400
From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Subject: [AMC-List] Greyhound Shipping.
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I have never shipped anything large but 3 years ago I bought 2 NOS front
fenders from a guy in Mass. He shipped them to me Greyhound. I live
right outside of N.Y. City and the nearest depot was 10 miles away. It
cost 58$ for the 2 fenders and he packed the up real nice in a grand
father clock box. I thought 58$ was more than reasonable.
"Doc"
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 12:39:31 -0400
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 232 in Classic
To: amcrelay@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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I used 2"x3" 3/16" wall rectangular tubing to mount the 4.0L in my 63 Classic, which of course had a 196 originally. All 199/232/258/4.0 engines use the same mounts. The 196 has the rubber mounts (cushions) bolted directly between the crossmember and the oil pan rails, which are low and wide. I'm not sure if it's any taller than the later engine -- if it is it's not by much.
I drilled the rect. tubing to fit the engine mounts then set the engine in place. At that point the engine is shifted into the correct position then the rect. tubing is marked from underneath through the 196 mounting holes. If there's enough room under the car 3/8" fine thread holes can be drilled and tapped (well, don't drill 3/8" holes -- whatever the tap size is). I used lock washers AND lock-tite on these. 3/16" is just enough using fine threads to tap into. Alternately drill the holes then pull the whole mess out and weld a nut inside. With the engine down in the bay you can't get a nut on inside the tubing. I tried that first!
On May 3, 2006 JOE B FULTON wrote:
> Just as a point of interest (hopefully) a previous
> owner transplanted a 232 into my 64 Classic by using
> pieces of 2 x 4 channel iron to raise the motor mounts
> on the original 6 cylinder crossmember. The 196 must
> be taller than the 232 (makes sense with the longer
> stroke). It's a clean installation, but the homemade
> perches do indicate a transplant.
>
> Joe Fulton
> Salinas, CA
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