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Today's Topics:
1. 64 Rambler Progress Report (JOE FULTON)
2. Re: 64 Rambler Progress Report (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
3. Re: steering gear ratios, was Re: Two Requests (Sandwich Maker)
4. Re: Nick's Old Truck (Sandwich Maker)
5. Re: Non AMC Power Steering Question (Sandwich Maker)
6. Re: Twitchy fast ratio steering (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
7. Re: header bolts (Kim Bueler)
8. Misc ramblings, and one Pontiac (russ hathaway)
9. Re: Misc ramblings, and one Pontiac (markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
10. Re: More Valve Cover Woes (John Elle) (Tom Jennings)
11. P is for cars (Mahoney, John)
12. test (Jim Howard)
13. Mike hathaway's email (Armand Eshleman)
14. John Elle and ram air (Armand Eshleman)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 06:04:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 64 Rambler Progress Report
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060502130407.99288.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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This is a 64 Rambler Classic which I picked up from a
local junkyard rather than see it crushed. Clean body
which needs paint. An early 232 has been transplanted
into the car by a previous owner. At first I thought
it was one of the scarce 232 4-doors which were made
by AMC along with the Rambler Typhoons, but the
homemade engine mounts give the transplant away.
The car started fine two days ago. It had a slight
lifter tick which went away as it warmed up. All I
did to get it running was replace the burned points
and condenser. The car was horribly out of time too.
The distributor wasn't loose, but it did sit in the
front yard of the junkyard several weeks so someone
could have tampered with it.
Yesterday, when I started it after replacing the worn
shifter column with another used column, there was a
pronounced lifter tick which didn't go away as the
engine warmed and there was a brief loud metallic
sound like something loose in the oil pan. Maybe I
should have shut it down then, but the sound was only
brief.
Tonight I'll pull the valve cover and inspect the
rocker shaft and push rods. I'll also do a cold
compression test before I start the engine, looking
for clues. I'll drain and strain the oil. Any other
suggestions?
Regards,
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 6:48:12 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] 64 Rambler Progress Report
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Cc: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <5132863.1146577692937.JavaMail.root@web15>
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I'd pop the dist and check the oil pump tang and see if I could see anything obvious there and check oil pressure. All the conditions you are reporting sound like they could be oil presure related.-
-
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> This is a 64 Rambler Classic which I picked up from a
> local junkyard rather than see it crushed. Clean body
> which needs paint. An early 232 has been transplanted
> into the car by a previous owner. At first I thought
> it was one of the scarce 232 4-doors which were made
> by AMC along with the Rambler Typhoons, but the
> homemade engine mounts give the transplant away.
>
> The car started fine two days ago. It had a slight
> lifter tick which went away as it warmed up. All I
> did to get it running was replace the burned points
> and condenser. The car was horribly out of time too.
> The distributor wasn't loose, but it did sit in the
> front yard of the junkyard several weeks so someone
> could have tampered with it.
>
> Yesterday, when I started it after replacing the worn
> shifter column with another used column, there was a
> pronounced lifter tick which didn't go away as the
> engine warmed and there was a brief loud metallic
> sound like something loose in the oil pan. Maybe I
> should have shut it down then, but the sound was only
> brief.
>
> Tonight I'll pull the valve cover and inspect the
> rocker shaft and push rods. I'll also do a cold
> compression test before I start the engine, looking
> for clues. I'll drain and strain the oil. Any other
> suggestions?
>
> Regards,
> Joe Fulton
> Salinas, CA
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 09:13:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] steering gear ratios, was Re: Two Requests
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200605021313.k42DDWu27576@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
"
" On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 15:14, Sandwich Maker wrote:
"
" > " A fast box would be great autocrossing,
" > " but who on this list turns corners with the gas pedal down?
" >
" > <raises hand> meee! meee!
"
" Do you autocross?
only in my mind... ;^>
i'll also admit i've slowed down a lot as i've come to realize just
how much can be lurking around a blind corner, even one i've turned
many times and found nothing.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 09:19:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Nick's Old Truck
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200605021319.k42DJ1427610@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" A good resource for Chevy trucks and restoration in
" general is www.stovebolt.com. If it were mine I would
" try to keep it original or put a later 235 Chevy six
" in it. I wouldn't butcher a truck and put an AMC
" powerplant in it just to show the Chevy guys. I think
" the same downsides would apply to this swap as to a
" non-AMC powerplant in an AMC. It just wouldn't get
" any respect.
if i was gonna stick with a stovebolt i'd go for a '60 +/- 261, the
largest version, but as the gmc even then shared chassis with the
chevy i don't think dropping a jimmy 302 in would be a hack since it
could be done with all factory parts.
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 09:24:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Sandwich Maker)
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Non AMC Power Steering Question
To: AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <200605021324.k42DOnN27637@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
" From: "Robert Sliko" <robert.sliko@xxxxxxxxxxx>
"
" I have a 1999 Windstar that is making lots of whines and is foaming out the
" fluid through the resevoir. I changed the fluid which seemed to help for
" one day, now it is back to spitting fluid out the resevoir. So is it the
" pump or is it the rack, or what do I need to check?
probably what you've got is air trapped somewhere in the ps system.
the pump whines as the bubbles go through it, and when the system's
off and they expand from 900psi back to 14.7 they make the reservoir
overflow.
i don't know if it could be sucking air from a crack or worn seal.
that the problem recurred suggests that though. did it leak any fluid
that first day?
________________________________________________________________________
Andrew Hay the genius nature
internet rambler is to see what all have seen
adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 7:40:53 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Twitchy fast ratio steering
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Cc: John Elle <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx>
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I think the caster on my American is up to about 4* positive. It tracks nice and straight this way and corners well. What I do with these old Bias ply original equipment cars is take the caster up as far as it will go and match it side to side to the one that comes out the least towards positive. As in if one side comes out 4 and one 6, I go 4 on the pair. It makes the steering a little heavy coming off center, but that is usually not a problem with the old overboosted 60's P/S systems. You can get a caster camber gauge for about $40 and do it yourself with a little time and patience. Just be careful and read up on the basics. Do your test driving someplace safe! --
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- John Elle <johnelle@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Snip
> I do a lot of LA freeway driving, 100
> miles/day 3 days a week, maybe that's tweaked my brain :-)
> SNIP
>
> If you have the front end aligned with a little bit more positive caster
> there will be more of a positive self centering of the steering. This
> should stabilize things for the freeway hauls. I do a bit of them my
> self too although not as often as I used to.
> If you are close to zero or negative (and some alignment charts indicate
> that negative is o.k.) the car will have a tendency to wander as self
> centering will have been dialed out. This is a bit uncomfortable as you
> are always correcting for this. I think it is something you have to
> pressure the "alignment technician" to do in some cases. I'd shoot for 2
> degrees myself but that is a personal preference.
> With P205 60's on the front and P245 60's on the rear and the short
> wheelbase the beasty can get a bit touchy.
> John
>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 13:21:44 -0400
From: "Kim Bueler" <kimbueler@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] header bolts
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxx>
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At the risk of being over simplified, short of you putting lock-tight on the
bolts (which I'm not sure if that is recommended) a simple tightening every
week or two should do the trick, at least that is what my mechanic has
recommended. Your mileage may vary.
Regards,
Kim Bueler '75 Gremlin X 360 V8
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] header bolts
> how do you keepem tight
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 10:42:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Misc ramblings, and one Pontiac
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looks like I got back on the list. I had to
unsubscribe and the re subscribe. Missed you all.
I came across a 1959 Classic 4-dr, basic car but the
PO had sheared a couple of dozen sheep, placed the
loose wool in the car sitting in the barn ready to go
to market, and forgot about it....back in 1961! So
this car sat for its entire life, save for two years,
with a back seat full of wool. The parts of the car
not affected by the wool looks factory fresh except
for a ton of dust. What damage would 40 year old wool
do? Best of all, it is free for the taking. Clean
title.
Next to it is a 1963 Pontiac Catalina 2-dr hdtp with
54K, it looks real nice too. Basic V8-AT-PS-PB (single
resevoir, those pikers) and 4V. Anyone interested in
an old indian before I advertise. $3K and contact me
off list or at 503-589-9845.
I came across a 1982 Eagle wgn at a boneyard this
morn, fully equied including cruise, tilt, power door
locks, 4speaker stereo, PS, PB, AC, and real straight.
Anyone need anything?
There is still stuff left off that 77 AMX. I am going
to finish parting it out on Thurs.......Russ
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 12:50:59 -0700
From: markprice242@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Misc ramblings, and one Pontiac
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Cc: russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx>
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I'm guessing the damage from the wool will turn out to be from the critters that moved into and out of it over the years, Mouse urine does a number on fabrics and metal. Ask me how I know, The covertible was full of nests!
You can probably write off the interior, but who knows maybe you'll get lucky and it won't be in to bad of shape?
I know if I got it the thing would turn out to be rotted behind the front seats and junk!
Good luck!
Now the Catalina sounds like it may spark some interest from the Pontiac guys. I googled it under images, very cool retro looking car in a two door hardtop! If it's solid it also sounds like a real "barn find"!
-
Mark Price
markprice242ATadelphia.net
Morgantown, WV
---- russ hathaway <russh97309@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> looks like I got back on the list. I had to
> unsubscribe and the re subscribe. Missed you all.
> I came across a 1959 Classic 4-dr, basic car but the
> PO had sheared a couple of dozen sheep, placed the
> loose wool in the car sitting in the barn ready to go
> to market, and forgot about it....back in 1961! So
> this car sat for its entire life, save for two years,
> with a back seat full of wool. The parts of the car
> not affected by the wool looks factory fresh except
> for a ton of dust. What damage would 40 year old wool
> do? Best of all, it is free for the taking. Clean
> title.
> Next to it is a 1963 Pontiac Catalina 2-dr hdtp with
> 54K, it looks real nice too. Basic V8-AT-PS-PB (single
> resevoir, those pikers) and 4V. Anyone interested in
> an old indian before I advertise. $3K and contact me
> off list or at 503-589-9845.
> I came across a 1982 Eagle wgn at a boneyard this
> morn, fully equied including cruise, tilt, power door
> locks, 4speaker stereo, PS, PB, AC, and real straight.
> Anyone need anything?
> There is still stuff left off that 77 AMX. I am going
> to finish parting it out on Thurs.......Russ
>
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 13:25:54 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] More Valve Cover Woes (John Elle)
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
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On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 13:35, Mr. AMC wrote:
> John does removing the wiper motor eliminate the need to hammer the
> firewall when installing an aluminum valve cover for clearance?
As usual, TMI on this subject:
http://wps.com/AMC/1970-AMC-Hornet/May2005.html#VALVECOVER
OK photos of the mod to the aluminum cover, and of head height.
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:11:31 -0400
From: "Mahoney, John" <jmahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] P is for cars
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Props! To AOL Bill for helping more people see the way to share in the discussion of today's AMC, to TOCM Mike for helping more people see the way to share the documentation of yesterday's AMC, to Frank/Tom/Jim for helping the world see the way to share and search and re-search all the info about AMC that's fit to know, and to anyyone who saw my 4/28 post that once again went AWOL, Happy May 1st.
And to echo another Johnny ("If it don't fit..."): if it can't be read, it won't be writ.
http://www.amxfiles.com/archive/index.cfm?sender=2866
Does intermittent ignition cause intermittent censure?
Get out your test equipment; the AMC car needs fixin'.
Proposal! To Nick for helping make more money to spend on AMC cars: the '56 Chevy wagon, even with four, not two doors, could prove you smart at time of resale. Or at least tide you over until (if?) AMC wagons become valuable as well.
Proof! For Frank and American Motors Corp. frequent flyers and wingmen:
>>The door beams were required around 73 or 74.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/regrev/Evaluate/806314.html
Proof! Aus Wolfgang and his American car colleagues around Deutschland:
http://americanmuscle.de/06/loerrach/zz6_img_2200.html
http://americanmuscle.de/06/loerrach/zz6_img_2242.html
you may get factory headlight washers on your C6 Z06s
http://americanmuscle.de/06/loerrach/zz6_img_2109.html
(and we can't even opt; are we driving that dirty now),
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/features/
you may put top tips on your Chevy exhausts, curb alarms on your red (or yellow cab) Cadillacs (if not on your mellow yellow Imperials), and even Riv-eal a "rare" Buick
http://americanmuscle.de/06/loerrach/zz6_img_2201.html
that recalls a Caddy in a recently-closed local art show
http://tinyurl.com/zs7lw
http://magart.rochester.edu/VieO13831$30803*2324591
(then, Cadillac art was nothing without Nash art [click "One-Eyed"])
http://www.artcaragency.com/showcase.php?cat=conceptual_sculptural#
but, while you may keep your horned Jeeps and creative-clad Corvettes, you may send your Avanti, Barracuda, RS-SS and even Squarebird (never -beautiful-, but condition is) home if you care to. You can send every late-'60s AMC convertible home for a full resto. Despite what it cost AMC to try to succeed by moving upsize and up-market (if one only reads AMC history by Pat Foster, one might believe that tooling the "big" cars --- the convertibles and the '67 Marlin --- along with the '74 Matador coupe (plus the '75 Pacer) was all that doomed AMC to death [he's loath to admit that AMC could've died on a Gremlin-Hornet-Eagle diet also...], but, nonetheless, few ragtops by any maker ever stacked their fabric so well.
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/9783/13ra.jpg
If it were a Chevy or a Pontiac, it could be a $100k car someday. As an AMC, it should be even more valuable. As reality, no one really knows.
Proof? From John and his Carefree Cactus Cruiser coterie in Cave Creek:
>>
As far as the weight of the car door goes half
the weight of a Pacer is in both front doors.
>>
And the other half is in the windshield, since the Wankel was so light? And a Pacer with a moon roof will roll over under water to float like a glass-bottomed boat? Was a Pacer what Wagner wanted to haul up [P37] Sun Gold?
http://tinyurl.com/lfxx6
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/3925771123.03._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
(which would make a fine shine re-paint on the black '67 Ambassador DPL!)
It's magic. It's Marmon. It's a Leitmotif. It's a laugh-out-loud post.
http://www.apgrd.ox.ac.uk/events/images/goldhill.jpg
May 1, 1926 was indeed the day that Ajax magically became Nash and it was more than just another swap-n-sell Ring on the AMC family tree, but since one of my Rhine maidens had wrist surgery and is not yet back at work, I'm drowning in "to-do" today, so must type it in another post --- IF this one lists correctly. If, like a boat with an untended leak, it lists -again-, I'll just let it sink. You can dredge for it from a Pacer someday and spear it with a Karmann Jav.
If anyone found all the nuggets in this post, I'll buy you a -pig- in Bayreuth. Just not a ticket to the opera. I've still got good old Rambler Mentality!
http://www.funsch.de/Deutsch/Marzipan/marzipan.html
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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 17:25:37 -0500
From: "Jim Howard" <johnnydude518@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] test
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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test
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:23:15 -0500
From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Mike hathaway's email
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxx>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 01:53:46 -0700
> From: "algaines" <algaines@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [AMC-List] Mike hathaway's email
> To: "AMC-List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
> Armand,
> Mike's Email is: mhathaway.msn.com
> Al Gaines
> Custom 71 Javelin SST (getting new flames and bodywork fixed, woooohooooo)
Mike thanks very much,
Armand
>
>
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:27:12 -0500
From: "Armand Eshleman" <aje1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] John Elle and ram air
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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John,
Thanks for responding to my question about ram air and what opens and closes
it. Mystery solved.
Any one have any ideas about reproducing this control???? I know the duct
work and scoops are
now being reproduced, and the vacuum actuator is available from somewhere
because Ford used the
same part. I think I could fabricate my own door and linkages, Just not sure
about the air cleaner body
and top and the controls.
Armand
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