Re: [AMC-List] E85 and Old Cars

[Matt Haas <mhaas@xxxxxxx>]

I saw something about this recently and I'm pretty sure they're not using 
water to separate the fuels anymore so that's not the problem (they sell 
the mixed stuff for industrial applications). The problem as I understand 
it is that the ethanol is an excellent solvent and does a really goos job 
of cleaning all of the goo out of the pipelines and storage tanks (some 
people with old cars are also having a problem with the ethanol breaking up 
the sludge in their gas tanks). In some areas of the country where they are 
switching from MTBE to ethanol, this is causing big problems with fuel 
supply since they are currently having to truck fuel in until the storage 
tanks and pipelines are cleaned.

Matt

At 12:42 PM 4/26/2006 -0400, you wrote:
>I did some more reading too. Yes, closer to the "corn belt" where ethanol 
>is made it's a bit cheaper. Part of the problem with the pricing in areas 
>far from production facilities is transportation. Ethanol or E-85 can't be 
>pushed through pipelines because it draws to much moisture along the way, 
>so it all has to be trucked or railed around. I'm sure someone will figure 
>out a way to either treat it so it won't draw so much moisture and/or 
>erect large water separators/filters at pipeline terminals. That probably 
>isn't practical now, but as volume goes up it should be. The pipelines use 
>water "plugs" to separate "shipments" now since gasoline and water don't 
>mix. They'll have to come up with something else (hey, maybe a gasoline 
>"plug", or a thicker oil that won't mix easily, even vegetable oil -- the 
>"plugs" can be reused...) to separate "shipments" since water mixes so 
>well with ethanol.
>
>On April 26, 2006 Todd Tomason wrote:
>
> > The difference in price seems to depend on where you are.  When I've 
> bought it
> > in Missouri it's between 30 and 60 cents less than gasoline.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > On Tuesday 25 April 2006 08:15, farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > > There appears to be no consumer reason for switching to E85. In the vast
> > > majority of instances E85 prices closely parallel gasoline prices, 
> maybe a
> > > few pennies less. I checked pricing on this site (which has other 
> info and
> > > links) - http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/e85toolkit/e85_fuel.html. 
> The only
> > > reason to switch to E85 is environmental. In the long run using more
> > > ethanol should help US industries other than oil -- especially farming.
> > >
>
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