" From: JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx> " " I think Charlie Nash, George Mason, or George Romney " would be jumping on the E85 bandwagon today. They " might even have a Rambler model called the E85. " " When and if it becomes commonly available here in CA, " I think I'll convert one of my old cars to run on it. " Surely a Rambler three speed with overdrive would get " decent mileage on it. And it sure beats paying dues " to ragheads (excuse me, people with textile headwear) " who want nothing from me but my money. " " Archer Daniels Midland may stand the most to gain by " E85 right now, but the technology to make ethanol is " pretty simple (although patented biota may complicate " the issue in the future). Too many folks know how to " set up a little production device in a secluded hollar " in the hills. imho the best fuel with mid-range potential is biodiesel. you might recall that when you mix lye and tallow, you get soap [sodium stearate] and glycerin. wood ash will do; then you get potassium stearate. mix alcohol and vegetable oil [or tallow, or any other fat/oil] in the right conditions and you get biodiesel and glycerin. you can pour it straight into the tank of any diesel - or other oil burner, like your furnace - and it lubricates the injection system better than petrodiesel, burns cleaner than petrodiesel, and even makes more power [a bit] than petrodiesel. the chemistry is simple and the technical issue of efficient manufadture is already being addressed, by many. the biggest hitches i see are 'wax point'; without additives it isn't reliably usable much below freezing [though additives will surely be developed], and the byproduct glycerin. there are industrial and cosmetic uses for it - but can you buy enough products to consume a gallon of glycerin a week? an acre of rapeseed [aka canola] produces a ton of oil. an acre of oil palms produces 5 tons. ps. 'b100' is industry shorthand for pure biodiesel. you'll often see 'b20', 20% bio/80% petro; low temp operation isn't a problem with this mix. and btw all diesel jeep libertys leave the factory with b5 in their tanks. ________________________________________________________________________ Andrew Hay the genius nature internet rambler is to see what all have seen adh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and think what none thought _______________________________________________ AMC-List mailing list AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.wps.com/mailman/listinfo/amc-list or go to http://www.amc-list.com