AMC-List Digest, Vol 3, Issue 20
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- Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:43:54 +0000
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: please un subscribe (NOTE FROM LIST ADMIN) (farna@xxxxxxx)
2. AMX-Files web site - Reading list on-line (farna@xxxxxxx)
3. Re: Rambler Torino (farna@xxxxxxx)
4. (no subject) (THOMAS MUSGROVE)
5. Re: art 1969 rambler (adding power steering) (farna@xxxxxxx)
6. excessive e-mails (jon bokowy)
7. Welcome to the list issues (Nick ALFANO)
8. 77 Hornet windshield (Ken Ames)
9. Re: Rambler Torino (Tom Jennings)
10. FW: Rambler-Rama, Ontario, Canada, 24 June 2005 (farna@xxxxxxx)
11. quite a salesmen, wonder if rims fit amc (Eddie Stakes)
12. List posting (Arnie Goodrich)
13. Re: AMX-Files web site down? (farna@xxxxxxx)
14. Smoke & Fire (Brien Tourville)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:59:18 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] please un subscribe (NOTE FROM LIST ADMIN)
To: nightair@xxxxxxx, mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC-List)
Message-ID:
<040920061359.29589.4439133600036D2E0000739521603763160E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
Message: 6
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:46:21 -0600
From: Keith Horsburgh <nightair@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] please un subscribe.
Please remove me from the AMC list this becoming stupid with the amount of
separate E mails I am recieving. What has changed to cause this traffic jam.
Keith Horsburgh. nightair@xxxxxxx
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The owners (Tom Jennings and I) are indeed closely watching the list. Yesterday I manually set all 900+ members to "digest" mode. That will reduce the e-mails to 2-3 per day with the current list traffic, and should settle down to 1-4. An average digest holds 8-12 messages (depending on length) all bundled into one short (~40K or less) e-mail. The system is set to send a digest when the digest message reaches 40K or at the end of the day if it doesn't reach that amount. The most traffic the list has had recently (just before the move -- most recent traffic has been complaints) was 50-60 messages in one day, and most of those were short (5 digests). An average day is only 10-20 messages (one or two digests). This shouldn't overload your e-mail box.
I understand the frustrations when suddenly getting 30-50 individual e-mails. The problems we had when changing were two-fold: The biggest one was the old server wasn't maintaining the subscriber list as it was set up to do. It never deleted a subscribed e-mail address even though it was supposed to confirm on a bi-yearly basis and delete unless the message is sent stating a user would be deleted unless a reply was sent to a specific link. Maybe users forgot and just replied anyway? The secondary problem was user settings weren't transferrable. We should have set everyone on digest mode to begin with, but didn't think there would be much traffic to start. The new system started sending all the bounce messages to users at first though, and users who haven't read the list in the last two months started complaining in e-mail, which further added to the number of posts being sent out.
If you want to un-subscribe send me another message and I'll get it done tonight when I get back on-line. You should receive no more than 1-3 messages (digests) from the list today. The interface with www.amxfiles.com isn't working yet (I think the ISP will have to manually reset the DNS early this week), but you can read on-line at www.amc-list.com -- just click the archive link. You must be subscribed to send replies (through your e-mail), but I can set you to receive NO MAIL from the list. You can change your settings by using the instructions at www.amc-list.com, but I will be more than happy to do that for you.
--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Independent
Magazine" (AIM)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
(free download available!)
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:10:25 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] AMX-Files web site - Reading list on-line
To: amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: shiloh@xxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
<040920061410.6561.443915D100010A57000019A121603763160E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
Yes Glen (and all subscribers), Jim will continue to host the list at his web site. I haven't heard from him yet, so he's been busy this weekend. He was aware that the change was going to take place and will be making some changes. We just couldn't perfectly coordinate the change so that everyone would have lots of free time to accomodate possible problems, so we had to do it when Tom (who is operating the server) was going to have a day "off" to babysit the server during the change. Boy was that ever a good idea! He and I both have spent at least four hours daily in front of the computer handling just list issues since the change over. I've already explained the problems, most were unavoidable/anticipatable.
I think the main problem with the AMX-Files site is the DNS server. In the past Jim's ISP has missed something when a domain name on the Internet changed. I think the server is set up so that major DNS changes have to be set manually or approved by an admin (at the ISP) before changing for security reasons. When Jim gets time we'll figure out the problem. He can't reach his ISP until Monday though.
In the mean time, the list can be read on-line by using the archives link at www.amc-list.com. You'll have to cut and paste into your e-mail to reply though. If you want to read the list this way until the AMX-Files is back up, change your settings using the instructions at www.amc-list.com to disable mail delivery. You can have the system send you your password, or e-mail me directly and I'll change your settings the first chance I get (I get on every evening).
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 01:08:01 -0400
From: "Glenn Dube" <shiloh@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Wow hi folks
Well I signed on when Jim was started it. So I have no idea how long I've
read the list .. Back then I suspect there was very little in terms of
mailing list options to choose from. Is Jim still going to host the
archive? I suppose the answer to that must be posted back some where in the
ago.
Hope you have fun.
Glenn
--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Independent
Magazine" (AIM)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
(free download available!)
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:21:28 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rambler Torino
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Message-ID:
<040920061421.13194.44391868000BC8120000338A21603763160E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
I just showed the car to my wife and told her if it hadn't gone over $4K I'd be bidding on it! I can't afford such a car until I get my house done over the next couple years.
The only thing I see that they changed is the engine and trans and no chrome bumpers and grille. The bumpers and such aren't bad painted, but those plain wheel covers would have to go -- some vintage looking Torque-Thrust wheels or something similar. It's really to bad the Torino OHC six was replaced. It probably wasn't the three Weber model though.
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 01:07:52 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rambler Torino
On Sat, 2006-04-08 at 19:06, Eddie Stakes wrote:
> Neat car!
> Search item #4627928707 on www.ebay.com
I love those things -- I've always wanted one. I'm not crazy about the
treatment in this one (they removed all the 60's euro crap I love most)
nor the furd motor but it's awful nice!
--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Independent
Magazine" (AIM)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
(free download available!)
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:36:32 +0000
From: "THOMAS MUSGROVE" <magnum4400@xxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] (no subject)
To: AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <BAY106-F9D24C4C03A149BEDCEC35D8CF0@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
remove me from list
_________________________________________________________________
Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 14:52:29 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] art 1969 rambler (adding power steering)
To: artie468@xxxxxxxxxxxx, mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC-List)
Cc: eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID:
<040920061452.1853.44391FAD0006AAC90000073D21603763160E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
Art, the 69 has a Saginaw column with removeable intermediate shaft (the shaft between the steering box and base of column), so you're in luck! All you need that is AMC/Rambler specific is the adapter plate between the box and "frame" rail. You will find that on any 65-80 AMC car. Sometime in mid 80 the manual steering bolt pattern was changed to that of the power steering (or both were changed... I forget exactly) so that the adapter was no longer needed, just a spacer. You will need the box to go with the adapter. A six cylinder box will be just fine, but make sure you get a six cylinder pump -- the V-8 pump has higher pressure. Even if you have a V-8 in the car you will likely be happiest with the six cylinder pump. The V-8 pump has way to much boost for most people, unless you want to turn the wheels with a finger tip. That means no feedback through the wheel at all though. A little feedback is good, and the wheels are still easily turned with one hand (maybe two fingers!
instea
d of one...).
A later model Hornet/Gremlin/Concord/Spirit pitman arm should work. Around 65 there was a change in the tie rod end taper, so I wouldn't try to use an earlier model, and you'd be safest to use 67+. Hornet/etc. pitman arms are still available new.
You can get by without the steering box adapter if you aren't afraid to drill holes in the rails. On a new model steering box (81+) one of the holes (I think it's the lowest one) will align with the existing manual box holes. I used a 1983 Concord steering box on my 63 Classic for a while (the pitman arm was a problem there!). I put the box in with the single screw then connected the shaft. The shaft is collapsible -- I think I had to pull it out and inch or so to connect to the Classic, which is a bit longer in front than the American or Concord.
With the box connected I marked where the other holes should be. The top one was just above the rail. I used a piece of pipe as a spacer to run over the rail to the inner fender and drilled there. I seem to recall only using three of the four bolt holes -- the two at the base of the box and the one nearest the top (over the rail). The spacer for the Concord was used, but isn't necessary. It's a 1/2" thick spacer. Large nuts that will slide over the mounting bolts will work, but I'd use a piece of 1/4" plate (1/4" spacer should be sufficient) if you don't have the spacer, or a piece of 1/8" plate with nuts. That will strengthen the inside of the rail and spread the load -- something the spacer helps do as well. This means you can use ANY GM steering box. The earlier box can be mounted the same, but I'm not sure if any of the bolt power steering box bolt holes will line up with the manual steering box holes.
Some late models use metric or odd size hoses. I have found that the vast majority of these use a screw in adapter for the hoses. Screw the adaptor out and you have standard US threads, but I don't recall the size. Any hydraulic hose place can make hoses, but if you pull everything from a Concord the hoses should work also -- provided the pump mounts on the same side of the engine.
In 1974 the pump location and mounting changed on the sixes, I'm not sure about V-8s. If you have a six you will need pre 74 brackets -- unless you have a later model six installed. The late model brackets bolt to the intake, so the intake is the real clincher as to what brackets you need.
----- Original Message -----
From: <artie468@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 5:01 PM
Subject: art 1969 rambler
> hi my son and i are building a 1969 rambler american and want to change
> over to power steering we have all but the pitman arm, power steering box
> and braket between the frame and the box any info. on new or used parts.
> or part numbers to look for thanks
> art
>
--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Independent
Magazine" (AIM)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
(free download available!)
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 07:54:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: jon bokowy <jonbokowy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] excessive e-mails
To: AMC-List@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <20060409145402.79556.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
would like to receive way less emails ,please remove me from list thank you
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 08:39:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Welcome to the list issues
To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <20060409153912.84325.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Tom,
There are probably a lot of people who are a member
yet never receive the list. They simply go to the AMC
files and read when they have time or have forgotten
they ever belonged to the list. When you switched the
list over to your server, it seems you migrated all
the members but did not migrate the meta data which
would have kept their settings the same. In doing so,
now everyone is getting the list sent to what ever
e-mail address was on file. It also switched setting
like digest form to individual e-mails. I know this
because I started getting the list sent to an account
I put on suspend well over a year ago because I didn't
want the list going there. It will just take some
time to get it cleaned up
Nick Alfano
Alfano Performance
Kenosha, WI. 53142
262-942-8271 After 6pm and weekends central time
262-308-1302
Message: 14
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 14:28:13 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Welcome to the (new)
AMC-list...
To: AMC/Rambler List <amc-list@xxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1144531692.10521.9.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain
On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 18:29, Ortfamily@xxxxxxx wrote:
> I am getting the emails too and I have nothing to do
with sending
> them.
I'm confused by this; the emails you are getting are
simply the AMClist
that you are a member of; the format changed, is all.
I know you're a member because I recall that you
posted a month or so
ago, on some new car TV show.
Is there a further problem? I'm working hard at
solving problems as
they
appear, let me know what is a problem.
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 14:10:39 -0600
From: Ken Ames <ameskg@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] 77 Hornet windshield
To: AMC/Rambler List <amc-list@xxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <1144613439.44396a3f62895@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Windshield industry # W793 fits
77-80 AMX
78-83 Concord
80-84 Eagle (not sure what would be different on later ones)
72-78 Gremlin
72-77 Hornet
79-83 Spirit
70-71 Gremlin and Hornet had different rearview mirror mounting.
Ken
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 13:59:50 -0700
From: Tom Jennings <tomj@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] Rambler Torino
To: amc-list@xxxxxxx
Message-ID: <1144616389.30765.11.camel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain
On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 07:21, farna@xxxxxxx wrote:
> The only thing I see that they changed is the engine and trans and no
> chrome bumpers and grille. The bumpers and such aren't bad painted,
> but those plain wheel covers would have to go -- some vintage looking
> Torque-Thrust wheels or something similar. It's really to bad the
> Torino OHC six was replaced. It probably wasn't the three Weber model
> though.
There's the dillemma -- that I've never had, lucky or otherwise -- of a
rare (here) car either being correct and undrivable, or incorrect and
fun. Eg. that motor. I would FAR PREFER!!!! a triple-carb inline six
over a v8 of any brand, any day! No offense meant to AMC V8's. But if
parts are simply unattainable, and the car is such that it's not a
one-off, just a rare production car, I'd probably stick in a motor of
similar "spirit" in the car and drive the hell out of it.
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 03:50:15 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: [AMC-List] FW: Rambler-Rama, Ontario, Canada, 24 June 2005
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC-List)
Message-ID:
<040920060350.25336.443884770008DECC000062F821602807410E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hope someone finds this interesting! I'll be in Afgahnistan for the summer, so won't make it...
-------------- Forwarded Message: --------------
From: SJohn89715@xxxxxxx
To: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: AMC LIST MAIL PROBLEMS
Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:17:30 +0000
>
> Thanks for the explanation Frank. By the way, we are holding our annual
> RamblerRama day on June 24th in Port Perry Ontario. It is about 2 hours from
> Buffalo and 3 hours from Watertown NY. Any of your New York, NE Pennsylvania
> or Ohio guys/gals would be welcome to come. Hope to see some of your AMO
> breathren there. Details and map are attached.
>
> Steve Johnston,
> Newsletter Editor/Club Archivist,
> Northern Ramblers Car Club of Canada,
> 119 Cook Drive, RR2,
> Kettleby, Ontario,
> L0G 1J0.
>
>
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:20:28 -0500
From: "Eddie Stakes" <eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] quite a salesmen, wonder if rims fit amc
To: "AMC List" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <007701c65c2c$ec477420$28f1b148@piageedc1iqa5q>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
Worth buying the rims just for the photo, great salesman, thanks to Mike
Wilson for the heads up. The item number is 8053269568 at www.ebay.com
however this is seller's main link:
http://motors.search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcopslotus
Eddie Stakes'
Planet Houston AMX
713.464.8825
eddiestakes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.planethoustonamx.com
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:12:43 -0400
From: "Arnie Goodrich" <arnieg@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] List posting
To: <amc-list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Message-ID: <000a01c65c33$7d36aae0$6401a8c0@weskd28n28p0b3>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
arnieg@xxxxxxxxxxxx Thanks
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:17:14 +0000
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [AMC-List] AMX-Files web site down?
To: "Ron" <1970javelin@xxxxxxxxxxx>, mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx (AMC-List)
Message-ID:
<041020060017.18608.4439A40A0006FE21000048B021603760210E029D0E00@xxxxxxx>
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Ron"
> Thanks Frank.
> I am getting an email list of whats on the AMC list, but when I go to the
> web page there is nothing? Is it my settings or is the web page still down?
> Ron
>
The web page is down. I think you can post to the web page, but it won't come up on the list. If you deleted the digests from the list or want to change your settings to "disable" mail and read from the web, you can view the archives from www.amc-list.com. The newest addtion is at the bottom of the page if you view by date. The AMX-Files site should be up by mid week, depending on what the problem is. I think it's just a DNS entry problem with web site's ISP (they don't automatically propogate changes for security purposes). If that's the case it's just a matter of Jim calling his ISP and waiting for them to fix it -- a couple days if he calls Monday. He may have to change his program some though, which could take a couple weeks.
--
Frank Swygert
Publisher, "American Independent
Magazine" (AIM)
For all AMC enthusiasts
http://farna.home.att.net/AIM.html
(free download available!)
>
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:44:10 -0400
From: "Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [AMC-List] Smoke & Fire
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <4439721A.27564.7622FD3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Here's one for the Archive :)
=Bt=
milnersXcoupe
Message: 5
Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:49:50 -0000
From: "starhawaii" <starhawaii@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Welcome To The 21st Century, Part Two
Hi Theo,
Kind of an afterburner for the exhaust. This goes back to at least
the 1950s. I know when I was living back in Dearborn I checked out
the Michigan Motor Vehicle Code and such flame producing devices are
specifically prohibited. The exuburances of my Father and fellow
hotrodders back in the day [he had a supercharged Nash Rambler and
used to
drag race it at Willow Run].
My Father had another trick device -- a port for injecting a squirt
of engine oil into the red hot exhaust manifold -- useful for
discouraging tailgaters.
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