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- From: "mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <List@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:52:43 -0800
Topics covered in this issue include:
1: Re: Spirit Headlight Switch And Fuel Gauge Question
by AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
2: Re: [BaadAssGremlins] 74 Hornet Headlight Switch & Fuel Gauge
by AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
3: Re: The Jig Is Up
by farna@xxxxxxx
4: Re: The Jig Is Up
by AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
5: 69 Javelin cam eater (Nick Alfano...)
by Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
6: Re: Jay's Wagner brakes
by "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
7: torque specs for wheels
by "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
8: Re: torque specs for wheels
by Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
9: Re: torque specs for wheels
by jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
10: 38 cars!
by "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
11: Re: Electric AMCs discovered in book...Pacer, Hornet, Amitron, Jeep...
by kflan5621@xxxxxxxxx
12: Ghost whispers
by "Mahoney, John" <JMahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 06:53:28 -0500
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Spirit Headlight Switch And Fuel Gauge Question
Message-ID: <18329-44058B38-111@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Thanks to all who were kind enough to reply to my questions. I tried to
reply from the list directly but my posts did not appear. My 2 other
posts including the one on this subject originally were sent to the
mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx and appeared. Thanks again.
"Doc"
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From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:35:40 -0500
To: BaadAssGremlins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [BaadAssGremlins] 74 Hornet Headlight Switch & Fuel Gauge
Message-ID: <18329-4405951C-151@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Thanks Brad. My car is a combination of different year Hornet parts I
liked over the years so it actually looks stock except for the button
and tufted door panels. The Javelin buckets I added are similar to the
Hornet ones I could not find upholstered with the stock 74 Hornet seat
insert material. I added a tac where the clock went and an under package
tray factory gauge pod with 3 Auto Meter gauges, water temp and oil. I
also added a 73 Hornet "X" steering wheel. I added an early Hornet front
fender Bee to the radio delete panel with double stick tape and made my
own Hornet emblem where the one was missing on the glove box door. The
exterior will just have the stock factory double pin stripe and stock 74
Hornet emblems with 77 AMC flairs and louver added painted the factory
color. The Western Turbine style wheels are very similar to the AMX
turbine wheels with a few more ribs and phony 3 spoke knock off. I made
emblems for the center of the knock offs using the AMC R/W/B emblem
below the hatch as a template and painted the ribs between he ribs on
the wheels orange to match the car. It has raised white lettered BFG
T/A radials for tires. Slightly smaller ones on the front for sway bar
and fender clearance. All in all I am very pleased with the looks of the
car. The light smoke orange tint that was applied to the side windows
yesterday compliments the orange paint. I was going for the subtle look
on this car versus the flamed, panel painted, pin stripe, flared and
louvered job on my yellow car ala the 1970's when I last panted it. It
turns out the subtle look I was going for on the orange car catches more
attention than the flamed yellow car ever did. When I visited my mother
yesterday at the nursing home I had 4 people comment on how nice the car
looked before I had the windows tinted. To bad can't drive the car for
2 days now as I can't roll down the windows till the tint dries. I have
the drivers window open even in the winter with the heater on and open
in the summer with the A/C on. Call me strange.
"Doc"
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 07:50:44 -0500
From: farna@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: The Jig Is Up
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <ADVANCES62cew8k69RK000000a3@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
The factory generally had a mask made of metal that fit close to the grille, headlight door, etc., and a fixed position spray gun that shot at just the right distance and angle to create the desired effect. That's why the line is usually a bit fuzzy along the edges of masked grilles and such instead of crisp. As you surmised -- they certainly don't hand tape them! In some cases a stick on paper mask is made, but that's rare.
On February 28, 2006 Ken Ames wrote:
> How did the factory paint these things? Surely they didn't spent all that time
> masking each one.
>
> Ken Ames
>
> Quoting "Mr. AMC" <AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx>:
>
> > Since it barely got over 20 degrees here today I spent the day in the
> > house. The first headlight door had baked in my dehydrator for 24 hours
> > after being painted with flat black yesterday so I masked it off and
> > scuffed it down and painted the silver. Picture this, it took 5 hours to
> > scuff and mask and paint 1 headlight door!!! What a PIA to mask it up
> > just to paint the silver. The silver wheel color I chose from Eastwood
> > looks almost factory. It is now back in the dehydrator drying till
> > tomorrow. I have to knock the edge off the silver where it meets the
> > flat black with 1000# sandpaper and clean up 3 very small spots of over
> > spray and it will be ready for the semi-gloss clear coat. I should have
> > both of them done by sunday. Next week it will be the grills turn to
> > have the silver done. I am not looking forward to doing that but job. It
> > may take a week or two plus. Anyhow the car goes to get the windows
> > tinted a light smoke tomorrow. That should look nice with the orange
> > body color.
> > "Doc"
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From: AMC74Hornet@xxxxxxxxx (Mr. AMC)
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:49:59 -0500
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: The Jig Is Up
Message-ID: <18329-44059877-165@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I have no idea how they painted the silver detail on the grills and
headlight doors at the factory. Working on the 2 headlight doors so far
I innately thought they were just black plastic with the painted silver
detail. Upon sanding the old silver off I found that on some spots there
was silver over spray covered with flat black paint. It is going to be a
lot of work but after finishing one headlight door I can see it will be
well worth it. It will look factory but better. I just couldn't go the
spray everything flat black route. :-)
"Doc"
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Message-ID: <20060301164702.19386.qmail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 08:47:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Nick ALFANO <71amx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 69 Javelin cam eater (Nick Alfano...)
To: amc list <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
I spoke to Bruce on the phone last night. He has had
a number of issues lately regarding the gears. A
couple of times it was thought to be to lack of oil.
He is running a new timing cover from about two years
ago which could be one of the bad Crown covers. I
have received a number of instances just like this
lately. Here is are the issues that can cause the
gears to wear out prematurely and some fixes/things to
check:
1. Lack of oil due to improper alignment of the oil
hole in the cam journal and/or cam bearings, passage
through the timing chain obstructed or in the wrong
location, cam movement cutting off oil supply or an
obstruction in one of the oil passages.
Fix- check all oil passages for proper alignment. Add
external oiler for gears.
2. Cam Walk, Cam moving in and out of the block
causing the two gears to be slammed into each out.
Fix- first make sure the cam plug in the back of the
block is set at the correct depth. Next would be an
anti-walk cam device like my Anti-walk Cam kits.
3. Improper alignment of the distributor gear and the
cam gear.
Fix, make gear mesh and alignment is correct. This
can be done with marking tape for checking gear lash.
Check end play of distributor gear. Make sure both
timing cover locating dowel pins are installed
properly. Shim distributor where needed.
4. Material construction of the gears them self.
Fix- Tough one these days. If you get a set of bad
gears there is really not much that can be done that
will fix them and very hard to tell. It used to be
that if you went with factory gears they were the best
bet. But now, even they outsource them.
5. Too much stress on the gears due to extremely high
oil pressure. Anything over 80lbs cold is starting to
get too high.
Fix- Try a thinner weight oil for cold starts or
reduce the spring pressure. 40lbs of pressure when
warm is plenty of oil pressure form almost any engine.
6. Improper break in, poor oil quality, mismatched
gears.
Fix- When in installing new gears, never mismatch
gears that were not run together. If you change one
that has already has a break in pattern with another
gear, change them both. Always apply a break in lube
to both gears prior to start up. Us an oil additive
with zinc and fresh oil anytime you change the gears.
Nick Alfano
Alfano Performance
Subject: Fw: 69 Javelin cam eater (Nick Alfano...)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:51:09 -0600
Message-ID:
<092D8CF6635129428E9B66DC582C3B3DDB5E6B@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Nick Alfano might have an answer. There are only three
possibilities I
can think of, from most likely to least:
1. The groves in the gear designed to pass oil to the
chain are
blocked.
2. The front cam bearing isn't the correct one or it's
installed wrong
and not enough oil is passing through.
3. Is the cam walking and causing a miss alignment in
the chain and
gears? Look at the back of the water pump. Does it
appear like the gear
or chain has been rubbing it? If so, the cam is
shifting forward.=20
Frank Swygert
P.S. - please respond to Bruce directly -- he's not a
list member
(yet?).=20
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Message-ID: <00c801c63d57$efaf73e0$95c41ecf@Ciampi>
From: "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Jay's Wagner brakes
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:45:31 -0500
Finally got the correct shoes and installed them. I didn't need any of my
Bendix installation tools, just a needle-nosed pair of vise grips. The NAPA
number is T-159 for the front shoes and T-158 for the rears.
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: Jay's Wagner brakes
> Well Matt, I have decided to stay with the Wagners as I said earlier.
> Thanks for the parts sources. I may have to use them.
>
> Jay
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Haas" <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
> To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:54 PM
> Subject: Jay's Wagner brakes
>
>
>> It seems like messages about Jay's brakes were flying fast today so
>> instead of replying to 50,000,000,000 emails, here's my two cents on the
>> subject:
>>
>> First, as far as usage goes, they were used on Americans in 1967 as well.
>> Both the parts book and service manual say they should be Bendix (no
>> parts catalog lists them for 67 either) but I have them for sure on my 67
>> American and have no reason to suspect they were swapped out. Second,
>> Wagner and Bendix parts don't even come close to interchanging. The
>> backing plate is different as are the wheel cylinders. I know this first
>> hand because I purchased Bendix parts for my 67 American so I had them on
>> hand to see that they were wrong. Third, I happen to like the Wagner
>> setup better than the Bendix setup on my 68 American. I'm sure that some
>> of the difference is due to the large difference in mileage between the
>> two but the Wagner set up seems to be smoother.
>>
>> That aside, shoes and wheel cylinders are special order (they are for
>> Bendix as well) so those fall into the category of no big deal to get.
>> Drums are the same and also not hard to find. What you can't get from a
>> regular auto parts store is any of the hardware or self adjuster parts. I
>> needed new hold down hardware and return springs for my car and I was
>> able to get them from a Volvo parts dealer called Swedish Treasures
>> (http://www.swedishtreasures.com). The spring kit is part number 25290
>> (the spring that holds the shows together at the bottom is different than
>> the one in the kit but the return springs work) and the hold down kit is
>> 659663(64)-1. You'll need two of each. I'm told that you can still get
>> the hold down kit from Volvo but it's an "improved" design that really
>> isn't. Other hardware is out there (I found an International site that
>> had self adjuster kits for some of the wheels). Besides Volvo and
>> International, some Studebaker's used the same set up. It's simply a
>> matter of checking with vendors for those makes to find what you need.
>>
>> Also, you need to make sure that the resting block for the shoes moves
>> freely (CVI Automotive out of Sweden sells new ones and self adjuster
>> kits). Some of mine were really frozen and it took lots of effort to free
>> them up.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> mhaas@xxxxxxx
>> Cincinnati, OH
>> http://www.mattsoldcars.com
>> 1967 Rambler American wagon
>> 1968 Rambler American sedan
>> ===============================================================
>> According to a February survey of Internet holdouts released by
>> UCLA's Center for Communication Policy, people cite
>> not having a computer as the No. 1 reason they won't go online.
>>
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From: "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
To: "AMC LIST" <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: torque specs for wheels
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:49:12 -0500
I looked for torque specs for tightening the wheel lugs but couldn't find
the info in the shop manual or my service specs booklet. What is the correct
torque? I tightened the wheel nuts with a 4-way wrench to what I thought
was tight and then checked them with a to torque wrench and I had tightened
with less than 70 ft/lbs.
Jay
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To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 13:01:08 -0500
Subject: Re: torque specs for wheels
Message-ID: <20060301.130108.3736.0.superglider@xxxxxxxx>
From: Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@xxxxxxxx>
I had always heard 90ft/lbs. I try to make sure they are only as tight
as what the smallest driver in the family can get off.
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 12:49:12 -0500 "Jay" <jciampi@xxxxxxxx> writes:
> I looked for torque specs for tightening the wheel lugs but couldn't
> find
> the info in the shop manual or my service specs booklet. What is the
> correct
> torque? I tightened the wheel nuts with a 4-way wrench to what I
> thought
> was tight and then checked them with a to torque wrench and I had
> tightened
> with less than 70 ft/lbs.
>
> Jay
>
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 12:05:42 -0600
From: jayscore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: torque specs for wheels
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-id: <7d915e6452ed.44058e16@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
I normally tighten the lug nuts on steel wheels to 75 ft/lbs. I'm not sure what the official spec is.
Todd
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay <jciampi@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, March 1, 2006 11:49 am
Subject: torque specs for wheels
> I looked for torque specs for tightening the wheel lugs but
> couldn't find
> the info in the shop manual or my service specs booklet. What is
> the correct
> torque? I tightened the wheel nuts with a 4-way wrench to what I
> thought
> was tight and then checked them with a to torque wrench and I had
> tightened
> with less than 70 ft/lbs.
>
> Jay
>
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Subject: 38 cars!
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:37:53 -0500
Message-ID: <166687AF0F5A7E48A457F68AE39A6F130571DD91@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Widiker, John D" <john.widiker@xxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
WOW 38 cars!!!!! Ken you are my hero! You own all of them right now
right?
~John
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Ames [mailto:ameskg@xxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:15 PM
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: The Jig Is Up
How did the factory paint these things? Surely they didn't spent all
that time masking each one.
=20
Ken Ames
39Master85w.partscar,67Marlin,68AMX,70Machine,73Matador2drht,73Hornet4ds
d,
73-74-75-76GremlinXs,75PacerX,76Hornet2dsd,77Matadorcpe,2-77AMXs,78AMX,
78Gremlin,78GremlinGT,79Concordhb,79PacerDL8,2-79AMXs,2-80AMXs,
2-80SpiritDL,80Eagle4dsdn,2-81SX4s,81SpiritGT,81Concord4dsd,82Eaglesw,
2-85Eaglesw,80J20,85J10,89Sentra4dsd (38)
AMCA =3D http://clubs.hemmings.com/amcalberta/
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 15:59:59 -0500
From: kflan5621@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Electric AMCs discovered in book...Pacer, Hornet, Amitron, Jeep...
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Message-ID: <ADVANCES62VhEUsebms000000cc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
For anyone who is interested, I know where one of these electric Pacers
is and it is for sale. Its only about 10 miles from my house, just outside
of Melrose Florida (about 20 miles from Gainesville). Its at a tiny used
car dealership that never sells anything! Its been sitting there for at
least a year or two. I can take some pics and or get more info
if anyone is interested.
On February 28, 2006 Jerry Casper wrote:
> I was at the used book store today, and was glancing
> at the small column of automobile books, and saw an
> older one on electric cars. Hmm. Might be interesting.
> So, thumbing thru it, I was glancing at all the
> historical data accumlated in '79 on electric cars.
> Guess what? AMC was well-represented. Under History, a
> picture of the Amitron, and a lovely lady standing
> with a cache of batteries in the foreground and
> background, was shown. Never seen this particular
> photo before.
> Under Vehicles of Today ( ha! ha! ), was the EFP
> Electric Hornet ( Electric Fuel Propulsion, Inc. ),
> with Electricar emblazoned in the grille area. Says it
> won the Electric Class of the Clean Air Car RAce in
> 1970. 20 hp motor, top speed of 79 mph. Weighed in at
> 5,500 lbs. Yowsa!
> Next paragraph, E.V.A. ( Electric Vehicle Associates,
> Inc of Cleveland, Ohio ) produced both a Pacer coupe
> and a wagon Electric car. Called the " Change of
> Pace", the wagon has a top speed of 55 mph, range of
> 35 miles per charge. 0 to 30 mph in 12 seconds. Curb
> weight is 4,150 lbs. An EVA 15-kw traction motor gives
> it the umph. The Coupe had " Ohio Department of
> Transportation " on the side. Coupe was white, wagon
> two tone ?, both had aluminum 5-spoke alloy wheels.
> A "relative" of AMC, the Renault Le Car, was also
> used as a conversion vehicle by C. H. Waterman
> Industries. Was available to the public as a
> production automobile.
> In the Jeep area, the Post office contracted with AM
> General for 350 Jeep-type electrics, most operating in
> southern CA. Called the Electruc, had a 33 mph top
> speed, and 20 mile range. Also 11 of these were sold
> to AT & T, some in Indiana, Minnesota, and NJ. Says AM
> General was the first major US company to produce
> electric vehicles in significant numbers.
> That about covers AMC content, the book is called
> The Complete Book of Electric Vehicles by Sheldon R.
> Shacket, copyright 1979, Domus Books
> ISBN 0-89196-019-8 ( Paper )
> -033-3 ( cloth )I have this one
>
> Just thought it neat to see some AMC electrics in
> there. 4 of them, no less. :)
>
> Jerry
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Jerry Casper , owner of 16 AMCs , including:
>
> '78 Gremlin GT / '70 Javelin / '70 Hornet / '79 Pacer / '76 Matador coupe / 1 V-8 Spirit
>
> '57 Chevy 210 4-door
> '55 Chevy Suburban
>
> Hobbies : scale model trains ( G, O-27, HO, TT, N ), Garden Railroading, slot cars ( all scales ), scale aircraft and rockets
>
> Esoteric interests : Blimps and Dirigibles, UL Aircraft ( sub - amphibious ), rideable scale trains, weird science and engineering
>
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Subject: Ghost whispers
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 17:52:35 -0500
Message-ID: <E8DF38ACFC17F94998DE284C5CE4582A462B65@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Mahoney, John" <JMahoney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>In some cases a stick on paper mask is made, but that's rare.
But more common now than when new AMC Hornets were sprayed...
http://tinyurl.com/qmbnu
Now it's March and February, 2006 is already just history.
So no one remembered what happened on February 28, 1986?
And no one remembered what happened on February 6, 1964?
What happened in January and February, 1954?
What AMC history happened, why, and when?=20
What might have happened to Reo Motors?
This really must be the zombie zone.
Bones can be heard to rattle.
White ghosts fly around. =20
Now we believe it.
AMC is dead.
Or are we?
Not all of us? OK, I'll toss -them- one White Bohn.
http://www.cr.nps.gov/nhl/DOE_dedesignations/Reo.htm
As VW tries again not to repeat its '80s automotive history in America,
http://tinyurl.com/jwyq2
and Chevrolet tries to repeat its US small car history again in Europe,
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=3D109161
no new "slightly bizarre" American Motors cars shall ever again repeat.
Dodge may sting with new Hornets, Hindustan may build a new Ambassador,
and two German firms try --- and succeeded --- at selling British cars,
http://tinyurl.com/hf2jr
one tries to appear again like -another- "bizarre" beauty built by AMC,
http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/AmericanMotors/1965AMC-Marlin.jpg
http://www2.uol.com.br/bestcars/carros/classicos2/amc-marlin-65-1.jpg
(while others try to answer the question, "Did Porsche build Marlin?",
http://tinyurl.com/fcj2w
or, "Did it run ashore flying a Chrysler flag over Plymouth sails?"),
http://tinyurl.com/kg8oc
some true AMC lovers ask if, when Pininfarina was poured over Packard,
http://www.kruse.com/news/concours/DSC02878.JPG
Packard's newest [29 year-old] designer was at its '52 steering wheel?
http://www.kruse.com/news/concours/DSC02877.JPG
Unfortunately, most AMC lovers don't care to suffer from such history.
So they can just keep wondering. There's no market for "new" AMC now.
As noted yesterday, the last AMC to [barely] matter was from far back.
Now, no one cares that AMC tried hard to repeat its -earlier- success,
http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/H3309.jpg
or that it spent -heavily- trying to launch some of its later product.
No one cares that some at the end still were planning its future. No.=20
AMC Allure, the '88 coupe that was to have been based on the '87 (then, =
'88, "American Motors Corporation" ["Built by Chrysler"]) Premier, was =
designed for AMC's return to NASCAR -- to run just as restrictor plates =
were new, when Junior's Dad won just $739,175 (and McGriff just took a =
$5,960 bite), when "brick" could've meant either a racecar or a =
racetrack paving stone. =20
http://www.concordmotorsport.com/photos/3227photo_1.jpg
http://tinyurl.com/f4pco
No one cares, because those were the good old days and they're all gone.
Worthless today. Over. Dead. Forgotten. Done.
http://www.dt-racing.com/tkelley/NR2003ss006.jpg
Frank Middlemass told Joan Sims (she, too, now deceased), to "Rock on!"
I'll tell AMC fans who don't care about the past to look at the future.
For the Gremlins, Marlins, and two-seat AMXs to come. Rock your world.
http://www.autobild.de/
Do your own looking, from A to T, to T, to X to Z. See any AMC Spirit?
http://hvtm.totalcar.hu/car/m/audi/758960.jpg
http://tinyurl.com/zto9x
Then look at one more forgotten AMC lesson America still hasn't learned.
If you see a bankrupt GM or Ford in the future, you'll see pasts of AMC.
American motor companies can't pay too much for too little for too long.
Cars can't be created, jobs can't be saved; companies can die. See AMC.
AMC died despite labor's [late] acceptance of pay cuts to match GM/Ford.
AMC died despite management's [late] acceptance of new design proposals. =
AMC died despite marketing's [late] acceptance of new demographic facts.
AMC died despite the good intentions and efforts of everyone around AMC.
American motor companies might pay about 10,000 workers (down from their =
1990s high of over 20,000 workers) about $1.3 billion this year --- not =
to work. GM has the greatest "investment" in jobs banks for UAW people =
whose jobs are lost (due to new technology, productivity increases, and =
decisions to outsource that result in layoffs beyond 48 weeks): GM will =
pay about $130,000 per-employee per-year in wage-plus-benefits.
GM's Van Nuys (CA) F-body plant was closed and production was moved to =
St. Therese (QB) [oh] way back in 1992, but despite buyout attempts and =
job offers to work at other GM plants, it was not until 2005 that Van =
Nuys' jobs bank was closed. For 13 years, American workers were paid =
not to work. From 5 years after American Motors ceased being an =
American motor company until the year that Chrysler ceased being part of =
the American Big-3, the American motor company that may cease being the =
biggest car company in both America and in the world has been paying =
for, lots of "nothing."
Because Jerry Seinfeld paid for Porsches with a TV show "about nothing"? =
=20
Because America has "learned nothing" from its past automotive history?
=20
Or because that's just the way it is "supposed to be"? Gone, like AMC?
End of digest for 1 Mar 2006, hour 14:00
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