Re: was Re: SR-4/T-5 Yoke?

["Ian Cudmore" <yahootoo@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

hmmmmm so with all that machine work and iffs maybe i'm just better off to 
take a few more looks for the 72+ manual bell? sounds like things are kind 
of iffy for it. i'd hate to be a couple days away from a new drive train and 
have to wait while i found one then... besides. custom work ALWAYS takes 
longer than it should

has anyone here seen a ford T-5 in an AMC? do we have an idea as to how that 
shifter location turns out? - i know this would be almost too luckey but 
does anyone have both trannys and can give me a measure? and then a distance 
off the firewall that either would be at? that would give me an idea

oh, and thanks for all the help BTW

77 Gremlin 232, 4v, Street Scoop II, 904, killer tunes

From: <farna@xxxxxxx>
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: was Re: SR-4/T-5 Yoke?
Sent: July 21, 2005 5:59:28 AM
That said, you should be able to make an adapter for the early bell to an 
SR4 or
T5 (which mount the same). The early three speed and the SR4/T-5 have the 
same
two upper bolt positions. The difference is the lower bolts. There is only 
5-6"
between upper and lower on the early bell, 8-10" on the SR4/T-5 (I'm 
recalling
all this from memory, so don't think those are accurate numbers!). My 
thought
was that the early three speed bearing retainer could be mounted to the SR4 
by
redrilling the SR4 case (SR4 retainer is much larger in diameter). Then a 
3/8"
aluminum (or 1/4" steel) adapter made. The adapter would have to be drilled 
for
flush mount bolts for the lower holes on the early bell. Then it would 
extend
down so that the lower bolt holes of the SR4/T-5 could have bolts w/nuts 
through
the plate. The AMC SR4/T-5 has the 6.5" deep bell, and the early bells are 
the
same depth. To make up for the 1/4-3/8" difference a special pilot bushing 
that
sticks out from the crank may need t!
o be made, just make sure it doesn't interfere with the clutch disc. You 
will
have to use the slightly smaller early flywheel, which will limit you to a 
10"
cluthc disc, IIRC, but that shouldn't be a problem. You can retain the 
original
pressure plate, but will need a disc of the correct diameter with the 
SR4/T-5
spline.

I didn't go through with this plan, but did bolt an SR4 up to an early bell.
You'll have to get the bearing retainer accurately centerd on the trans, as
that's what locates the trans to the bell. I don't think the early bell can 
be
drilled out to fit the large SR4/T-5 retainer, but I haven't looked at an 
early
bell for quite a while. You'd need to take it to a machine shop that could
accurately center it on a mill nad have it enlarged. The retainer issue and
lacking funds/equipment to accurately center the retainer is why I decided
against the project. I still have the SR4 I saved from a parts car and the 
extra
early bell at my dad's farm in my parts stash! Unfortunately they are in SC
while I'm 14-15 hours away in Delaware now, so can't answer any questions 
about
them. The SR4 needed new synchros as it wouldn't stay in fourth gear.


On July 21, 2005 andrew hay wrote:

> 1. all manual bells are not the same.  in later years there was a
>    multi-pattern bell that took [almost] all the transmissions, but
>    there are also single-pattern ones.
> 2. '64-'71 sixes have a completely different bellhousing pattern from
>    '72-up sixes.  there are just two trannies that fit the commonly
>    available early bell and both are 3sp.  you can't use a later bell.
>
> a 5.0 t5 is an easy swap with a multi-pattern bell; it has the bolt
> pattern of the sr4 and the retainer size, splines, and iirc length of
> the t150.  maybe rear mount as well.  shifter location is something
> else though.
> ________________________________________________________________________
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>
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