Re: 196 differences

[farna@xxxxxxx]

The flex plates were probably from two different sources. My 63 American had a circular flexplate on a cast iron engine. It was heat treated steel and the center eventually snapped out. I don't call it defective though, it was 30 years old! I had a new one made at the base from aircraft grade stainless steel. THAT ONE won't crack 30 years from now! 

On June 20, 2005 JOE B FULTON wrote:

> Here are some more orts:
> 
> I have the following 196 engines.
> 
> 1964 (April 30 1964 production date) cast iron block,
> automatic transmission - flat crank flange.
> 
> 1964 (Jan 07, 1964 production date) cast iron block,
> standard transmission - flat crank flange
> 
> 1963 (July 7, 1963 production date, aluminum block,
> automatic transmission - flat crank flange.
> 
> The crank flanges appear to be identical on all three
> engines.
> 
> The engines with automatic transmissions had two
> different types of flex plates, but appear to have had
> the same model of BW transmission associated with
> them.  The flex plate one the cast iron engine, is
> smaller in diameter and scalloped.  The aluminum
> engine has a larger diameter circular flex plate.  I
> can send pictures if someone wants to archive them on
> their web site.
> 
> Regards,
> Joe Fulton
> Salinas, CA
> 
> --- Andre K Jacobs <akjamc@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > I don't know everything about this, BUT here is some
> > of what I do know.
> > The 1963-65 engines all have the bosses cast in the
> > sides of the block
> > for side motor mounts. That means you must have a 63
> > to 65 engine in a
> > 63-65 Rambler. The American is the oddity here, it
> > will take all 196s (
> > OK 1960 to 65 that I know) , as long as you have the
> > right crank shaft in
> > it. The early 196s used the two mounts off the front
> > of the engine. They
> > were bolted to a block plate that can be used on any
> > 196 ( bolts on, not
> > part of the casting) . The 63 used side mounted
> > motors mounts and have
> > bosses and holes for them, the 63 American had them
> > too, just they were
> > not used, and the front motor mounts were retained.
> > In 63 ALL the 196
> > crank shafts had a "flat" mounting flange on the
> > crank ( like later
> > 290-343-390s etc with BW autos). Before this only
> > the auto cars had this,
> > the standard shift cars used a "volcano" flanged
> > crank. This crank had
> > for lack of better words, a volcano at the end of
> > the crank. It is large,
> > and you cant bolt anything to it. Then there are
> > different size cam
> > support journals. If you get a block, GET the CAM
> > with it. There are no
> > new cams, and you need the correct core that fits
> > the block to have
> > reground.
> >
> > Andre " A.J." Jacobs,
> > web page http://southtexasamc.tripod.com
> >  (830)-980-3165 , akjamc@xxxxxxxx
> >
> > Owner & Proprietor, South Texas AMC
> >
> >
> >
> >


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