Re: 196 differences

[JOE FULTON <piper_pa20@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Here are some more orts:

I have the following 196 engines.

1964 (April 30 1964 production date) cast iron block,
automatic transmission - flat crank flange.

1964 (Jan 07, 1964 production date) cast iron block,
standard transmission - flat crank flange

1963 (July 7, 1963 production date, aluminum block,
automatic transmission - flat crank flange.  

The crank flanges appear to be identical on all three
engines.

The engines with automatic transmissions had two
different types of flex plates, but appear to have had
the same model of BW transmission associated with
them.  The flex plate one the cast iron engine, is
smaller in diameter and scalloped.  The aluminum
engine has a larger diameter circular flex plate.  I
can send pictures if someone wants to archive them on
their web site.

Regards,
Joe Fulton
Salinas, CA

--- Andre K Jacobs <akjamc@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I don't know everything about this, BUT here is some
> of what I do know.
> The 1963-65 engines all have the bosses cast in the
> sides of the block
> for side motor mounts. That means you must have a 63
> to 65 engine in a
> 63-65 Rambler. The American is the oddity here, it
> will take all 196s (
> OK 1960 to 65 that I know) , as long as you have the
> right crank shaft in
> it. The early 196s used the two mounts off the front
> of the engine. They
> were bolted to a block plate that can be used on any
> 196 ( bolts on, not
> part of the casting) . The 63 used side mounted
> motors mounts and have
> bosses and holes for them, the 63 American had them
> too, just they were
> not used, and the front motor mounts were retained.
> In 63 ALL the 196
> crank shafts had a "flat" mounting flange on the
> crank ( like later
> 290-343-390s etc with BW autos). Before this only
> the auto cars had this,
> the standard shift cars used a "volcano" flanged
> crank. This crank had
> for lack of better words, a volcano at the end of
> the crank. It is large,
> and you cant bolt anything to it. Then there are
> different size cam
> support journals. If you get a block, GET the CAM
> with it. There are no
> new cams, and you need the correct core that fits
> the block to have
> reground.
> 
> Andre " A.J." Jacobs, 
> web page http://southtexasamc.tripod.com
>  (830)-980-3165 , akjamc@xxxxxxxx 
> 
> Owner & Proprietor, South Texas AMC
> 
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