On Sun, 1 May 2005, Jay wrote:
Your pump has a totally diferent mount than mine. It does have a support
on
the backside of the reservoir. Mine does not. My bracket goes from left
to
right ,yours is mounted along the block front to rear. Maybe I need to
get a
bracket and pump from a later Hornet also.
The early (72) P.S. pump on the sixes sits on a funny bracket on
the passenger side. It bolts to the pump body, with the resevoir
sitting on the top. Works totally fine.
The 1983 258 P.S. pump, well you'd think it was some buckin'
bronco the way it's bolted down (on the drivers side). About six
puzzle pieces have it bolted to the block, intake manifold, water
pump, and head via a cast aluminum bracket.
The new stuff won't fit on the old motor, and vice versa. The old
pump *almost* fits the new brackets, 'cept the mounting stud is
too short and the return line hose fitting angle interferes. The
pulley lines up with the crank accessory pulley.
I have all this junk laying around, and tried all the combos.
In my experience, the old pump mount system is just fine, thank
you, doesn't leap out of the car.
It might be increased customer demands for car "feel" leading to
all the extra brackets to minimize resonant vibrations. Either
that, or a conspiracy from the Bracket Department at AMC.
Jay
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Haas" <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: power steering pump replacement
Jay,
I don't have a stabilizer bar on mine either. My setup came from a 74
Hornet. I have a big aluminium bracket on top and a U channel on the
bottom
going to another bracket on the block (you can see how mine's installed
at
http://www.mattsoldcars.com/RestoreAmerican/images/lines_pass_side.jpg). I
just took a quick look in the my 1968 TSM and it didn't show the pump
brackets for a six cylinder. I also didn't see an end-play spec in it
or
the manual for my El Camino.
Matt
At 05:54 PM 5/1/2005 -0400, you wrote:
Matt, I noticed in the TSM it shows a stabilizer bracket on the back
of
the resevoir, Mine is missing (maybe because this PS unit was added to
the
car by the prior owner. The car never came with PS from the factory.)
I
have looked to see where the bracket woould mount to the block but it
would have to be offset, nit straight like is show in the TSM. There
is
no mention of the end play tolerance on the pulley shaft.
Jay
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Haas" <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: power steering pump replacement
Nope. The pumps are about $50, rebuilt gears about $150, and $25 is
about
what both hoses run. BTW, 1/16th of an inch end play is still a lot.
Mine
has no noticeable end-play (I'm sure there's some, TSM may list it)
as
installed on the car with the belt on it.
Matt
At 06:36 PM 4/28/2005 -0400, you wrote:
Is tghat a typo error, the $225.????
Jay
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Haas" <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: power steering pump replacement
Anytime I can spread a little more sunshine, let me know! On the
slightly brighter side, a rebuilt pump, gear, and new hoses (you
may
want to replace the rag joint at the same time-- get the GM one
from
the Help section) is only about $225 (maybe less) and you'll end up
with a much nicer steering car. You could also swap in a quick
ratio
box "while you're at it" for not much more.
Matt
At 05:57 PM 4/27/2005 -0400, you wrote:
YOu are so full of GOOD NEWS Matt! LOL.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Haas" <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: power steering pump replacement
Jay,
If you have a 1/4 inch end play in the pump, it's toast. A
rebuild
kit isn't going to have all the parts you need (they basically
have
new seals and a shaft bushing). Rebuilt pumps are pretty
inexpensive
(I think I paid less than $50 for mine). Your steering gear is
probably full of trash now as well and should be rebuilt or
replaced
at the same time (it doesn't look like a difficult job to rebuild
one
but you need a few special tools). It would probably also be a
good
idea to replace the hoses to make sure they're not full of trash
as
well.
Matt
At 10:13 PM 4/25/2005 -0400, you wrote:
rebuild the steering gear? I can move the pulley and the shaft
it
is mounted on about a 1/4 inch backward and forward. Is that
normal?
Jay
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Haas" <mhaas@xxxxxxx>
To: <mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: power steering pump replacement
Jay,
Rebuild kits for the Saginaw pumps are inexpensive (about $10)
and
easy to install. A rattle may be from sticking rotor vanes or
it's
possible that some other trash is in it (in which case you
should
replace or rebuild the steering gear). Also, rebuilt pumps are
pretty easy to find and are likely to be in stock at better
parts
places. There are two different reservoirs that were used while
AMC
was around but the pumps are identical otherwise. The only real
issue you need to watch out for is that the pulley attachment
method is the same. The early style uses a bolt on pulley and
the
later style uses a press on pulley (you need a special tool to
remove and install these).
Matt
At 05:50 PM 4/25/2005 -0400, you wrote:
Hey Guys, I have a PS pump that has a rattle in it at one
speed
(30 mph in high gear) and it is annoying, but I am concerned
that
it will fail just at the most inopportune minute. Has anyone
got
replacement parts kits for these pumps. I guess there is more
than
one brand of pump. Where do I look to find out the
manufacturer
and model on the pump?
Jay
mhaas@xxxxxxx
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