Re: Timing yer engine, 65 Rambler...SPECS <head scratch> what engine aga
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Re: Timing yer engine, 65 Rambler...SPECS <head scratch> what engine again?
- From: Jerry Casper <gremlingts@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 05:14:57 -0800 (PST)
Ok, I've forgotten what engine this was at the
beginning of this thread, so I'll cover all three,
just in case. :) There's the L-head ( dist. on driver
side ), the 195.6 OHV, and the 199 / 232 ( both have
distributor on RIGHT/Pass. side ). Ok.
The spark plug wiring PLACEMENT seems to differ on
all 3, none are the same. So I'll cover each one as
shown in my Chilton's Motor age spec manual. AND I'll
make the following assumptions that you are supposed
to follow:
Assumption #1 : No matter WHICH side of the engine the
distributor is on, I'm assuming you will be looking at
it from the DISTRIBUTOR side while working on it, and
the side of the dist. closest to the block on each
will be considered 12 o'clock position FROM MY
STANDPOINT.
Assumption #2 : all engines are firing order
1-5-3-6-2-4, no matter which way they turn.
Assumption #3 : you know that the engine cylinders are
1 thru 6 from front to back.
- 199 and 232 engine :
The cap lock-down screws are at 5 and 11 o'clock
respectively. NOTE *
#2 is at 12 o'clock
#4 is at 2 o'clock
#1 is at 4 o'clock
#5 is at 6 o'clock
#3 is at 8 o'clock
#6 is at 10 o'clock
* distributor turns CW, other 2 AMC engines turn
opposite this.
- 195.6 OHV engine : NOTE * - clock is OFF on this
one!
The cap lock-down screws are at 4 and 10 o'clock
positions
#5 is at 1 o'clock
#1 is at 3 o'clock
#4 is at 5 o'clock
#2 is at 7 o'clock
#6 is at 9 o'clock
#3 is at 11 o'clock
* this engine has both #3 and #5 parallel to the
block, rather than just one spark plug terminal
directly at 12 o'clock. Rotation is CCW
- L head engine :
cap lock-down "tabs" are at 1 and 7 o'clock
positions
#5 is at 12 o'clock
#1 is at 2 o'clock
#4 is at 4 o'clock
#2 is at 6 o'clock
#6 is at 8 o'clock
#3 is at 10 o'clock
distributor rotation is CCW
- - - - - - - - - - -
Timing for '65 year engines :
199 and 232 1-bbl carb : 5 Before
199 and 232 2-bbl carb : 8 before
OHV 6 engine w/IRON head (classic) : 5 before
OHV 6 with auto trans : 10 before
OHV 6 with manual trans: 8 before
L head engine : 3 before
Ok, that is all the info I can give you for now, so
check your distributor placement in the block, and
make sure your wiring is where it is located according
to the list I just made.
This won't help if the timing chain jumped, or a new
chain and gear set were installed with the marks off,
so all you can do is "assume" at this point that
internally the engine is "correct". But at least you
can see how the wiring and distributor placement is
SUPPOSED to look ( from the factory!)
Another thing is, assuming the timing chain is
correctly positioned, the timing mark on the harmonic
balancer will either indicate true TDC, or 180 out.
Any other position is wrong ( assuming correct timing
chain/gear position ), so you don't really need the
dowel-in-cylinder trick unless you just can't see the
darn mark at all easily. line it up, it's either
correct or out 180. Then get your distributor to look
like the directions above, and if it doesn't work,
it's 180 out. Hopefully nothing internal is wrong.
Redoing timing can be a pain, but once set, it
shouldn't change nor be a hassle. Just getting the
gears meshed along with the oil pump rod alignment, is
what constitutes the biggest jump in beer consumption
for most people. LOL.
Good luck, and I hope this helps some.
- Jerry - , in Virginia
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