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Subject: {FORGED?} Re: console and 4-spd
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 05:05:43 -0400
On October 23, 2004 John Rosa wrote:
> From: Russ
>
> Also adding to the possibility of a console appearing
> in something other than 2-dr hdtps, you don't know
> what some one with some juice at the factory had
> installed in a car. Other makes were known to get an
> option that was not supposed to be a particular car,
> so why not AMC.
> Just because the dealer says it can't be ordered in a
> particular model, doesn't mean that someone tossed
> enough money or weight around to make it so
> ----------------------
>
> Russ,
>
> Now we're talking some pretty tight, oddball stuff here.
> Sure, a high-roller' can get anything they want if
> willing to pay the inflated bill. My observation were
> about what AMC would do for you and me as a regular
> customer.
>
> I recall an article in a Muscle Car mag years ago that
> showed a 1970 GTO Judge station wagon....factory built.
> How? A line worker simply asked for it. Was it truly a
> GTO? No. They simply installed every GTO piece that
> would fit onto a Tempest wagon. Naturally, the drivetrain,
> front clip, decals, dash and steering wheel, wheels, and
> so on, were all genuine GTO pieces installed at the
> factory....but it still isn't a GTO. It had regular
> Tempest rear springs, and other significant departures
> from normal GTO gear.
>
> Now I've never seen a Torino Cobra four door or a Road
> Runner wagon, so I can't speak to those companies and
> their 'rules' for 'special-orders'.
>
> ----------------------
>
> From: John McEwen <moparrr@xxxxxxx>
>
> As AMC had previously offered "sports" equipment on its full-sized
> cars, it seems possible that these kinds of additions were available
> on special dealer order. Why not a console, 4 speed (or floor shift)
> bucket seat wagon? Other companies offered them. As we have seen,
> Ambassadors could at least be ordered with console, floor shifter and
> buckets. Why would the company limit itself to one body style when
> the identical platform of a sedan or wagon would accommodate these
> changes with no more difficulty than on the 2 doors?
>
> -----------------------
>
> John- They often had solid reasons for not offering
> 'anything that fits' into differing models. It's
> a matter of sales strategy. The most obvious example
> I can give is the Gremlin/Hornet/Javelin V8
> availability. AMC figured if you could order a Gremlin
> with a 401, why would you bother to buy a Hornet or
> Javelin? Thus, Gremlin was restricted to 304, Hornet
> to 360 and Javelin got the 401. Sure, Randall AMC
> fixed this themselves (much to AMC's vocal opposition,
> I'm sure), but factory-built, you couldn't get it 'your
> way'. And of course, some would buy the Javelin 401
> even if Gremlin 401 had been available, but still, a
> large number of 'go-fast-cheap' folks would have just
> grabbed the Gremlin...and AMC would have lost the better
> profit margin of the Javelin each time.
>
> As for why the bucket restriction, well, as I figure,
> the stitching pattern of the buckets is far different
> from that on the wagon's folding rear seat. So the wagon's
> rears mimic the regular front units only...leaving one
> less piece to create and stockpile. Now, the four door
> ....that's a good question, as it shares it's back seat
> pieces with the two door....so the bucket-matching rear
> of the two door fits the four-door, too...meaning
> buckets in a four door would have been an easy no-
> brainer option (no matter how few get ordered). Perhaps
> Mr. Mahoney has an good idea why?
>
> John W Rosa
>
> http://www.JavelinAMX.com
>
>
> .
Never say never. In 1969 when my friend ordered his Road Runner all that
was offered for an interior was a plain taxi cab interior with a bench
seat. He got his special ordered with a GTX bucket seated interior for some
extra bucks. The only arm twisting he had to do was say if you don't do it
I will find a dealer who would, so all of a sudden it was ordered with the
GTX interior.
"Doc"
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