RAM pvc triple quads - vs - Phenolic Ding-a-Lings in Pairs

["Brien Tourville" <hh7x@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

From: Ian Cudmore [mailto:yahootoo@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:21 PM
To: mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: fuel injection


ok guys i have an idea, and i'm not so sure how easy 
it would 
be to set up
but... here goes, gotta be easier than dealying with all 
the 
computer crap
baisicaly what i want to do is take the intake manifold 
off of 
a 4.0  and
set it up without a computer as i understand it with 
fuel 
injection you
have baisicaly a pressureised loop coming from and 
to the fuel 
tank, along
with this is another line that comes up to the injectors, 
in 
between the
two is a reastatcontrolled by the computer and as the 
throttle 
is
increased <among all sorts of other variables.. .but 
this is 
the important
one> the reastat closes a valve off and forces the 
fuel to 
move on to the............and then ...


 - Above Edited for your Viewing Pleasure -
                       ( and sanity ;) 




! Ian ...... dude......OhmyGOD way too much time on 
your hands Chief .....put that Guiness down
and listenn'nup AMC style..

........ the '87-'90 Renix (Renault-Bendix)
EFi system in the Cherokees are a kick-ass unit.

Designed by Renault (see Indy Cars & 'Other' racing)
and Bendix ( see all prop Fighter Aircraft of WWII - 
USA - and Packard & Chevrolet EFi designs etc.)
and ALL THEIR COMBINED DOUGH INVESTED
IN RESEARCH ......... read cubic cash into the design 
- 
RENIX :
They'll take cam changes - Turbos - Superchargers
due to their Very Broad Sensor Bandwidth - and
a good deal of punishment - as viewed by the large
number of these with 250K+miles on them STILL
running in Beat to SHIT-BOXES .


Join this group :

& Read the Archives on : 
www.strokers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

The 'in the know' crowd run the Renix with an
HO Throttle Body and these 'Boys' are 
the 'Real Deal Builders' of 4.0 'Killers'.

We're talkin' 'Box Stock' parts Ian - 
ready at the 'forefur & the 'marginal 
skinnies' -


!DISCLAIMER! : ( damned amazing what
Dunkin'Doughnuts Coffee and no sleep
has wrought on my  'View'Point..")


You can go to the NAXJA.org list and find
yourself a Renix system for less than you'd
pay for one Carb - which you plan to put on
an EFi Intake Manifold ....... an odd plan to
begin with - as EFi manifolds are designed
for 'Dry Flow' - not - 'Wet Wall Flow' - among
other design 'considerations'.

THE BEST hands down Carb Intake Manifold
for the AMC I-6 is the 1982 - 1988 AMC
water cooled all aluminum unit that AMC
spent HUGE $$ amounts on designing with
Flow Benches to get 'Uniform Runner Flow'
design / performance stats from.

The Top MOAB jeep Race Engine builders
preFER these to ANYthing on the market .

CLIFFORD are BathTubs when you look
at 'Flow' design .  

They are for WOT -
Racing - Wide Open Throttle - as
the Plenum offers up ' stall ' at 
low RPM levels since it is just
a Ball Park full of slow air in 
no defined direction .

Top Race Jeep Builders use an $18.95 
Mr. Gasket 4bbl. carb adapter - 
which adds a 'Venturi Effect' to the  physics - 
and just do a 'port matching'
with a Dremel to the Bone Stock AMC Intake
Manifold.

I mean IAN @!  WHat could be more 'CREAMY' ?

BUT an EFi system will blow a carb into the weeds
in day to day real life TOTAL control - variables
accounted and adjusted for on the nano-second and - 
that is the New Reality .

I'm not real sure what you want to do &
what type of driving you want the Engine
to produce for, as I must have missed the
Post .

So here is my suggestion for a 350HP
Inline 6 with minimal $$ :

First : you join this group :

www.jyturbo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

you read their Archives & the daily
Digest you subscribe for .

Next :

Find an '97 or Newer 4.0 with Trans -
preferably the AW4 if your 4wd or
the Toyota Supra unit for a 2wd.

These are Automatic AISIN units
and will shift faster than you can 
wink - and with a Turbo - you don't
lose Boost between shifts .

The '97+ engines have the Increased
main bearing webbing cast in + the
Factory Main Stud Girdle .

Look for a 1997 - 2000 engine & trans.

Start surfin' the eBAy scene for
used Turbo stuff 'feels' ..

You'll need to craft up a Turbo
header to mount your 03 Turbo to ..
and then a 'Bonnet' ontop of the
Throttle Body to guide the air in.

That is the worst of it and 
perhaps one of the jyturbo Gentlemen
would do it for just a few 'skinnies' .

Learn about BOV - blow off valves
and Boost Controllers for inside
the Car Cabin.

A www.google.com search will reveal
a wealth of sites to leer about .

You can run safely - without an Intercooler -
7 lbs. of Boost on a Stock 4.0 - and that
translates to the 350HP figure.

I would personally - install a used Ford
PowerStroke Intercooler from a Truck -
look on eBay or ask on the jyturbo group
for a loose one for sale .

You'll be a 'Happy Motoring' kinda' Guy
going this route rather than 'Researching' results
with parts that aren't meant to be mated mate .


AS for the EFI pump - the JEEP boys use them
in THEIR conversions - and I was just looking
at EFi conversion pumps just the other day - online.

 Hope some of this Works for you :)


          Brien.
      NEW YORK